I fought the mud and the mud won...a few issues to deal with after (?)

[adatemp1980]

All he is asking for is a new battery...that's a helluva deal for what it could have cost! Imagine the mechanical issues you could be faced with if you had to leave the truck over night. Consider it a learning experience...buy him a new battery and a case of beer and move on.

[stevie-b]

goodysgotacuda previously said:

Hello Patrick,

I am the ass that pulled your stuck FJ out.



I am a BMW master technician, ASE master technician and a mechanical engineering student over at UNT; I can certainly enlighten you on how the excessive winching load can put strain on a single battery system. Even with the engine running, which you probably heard me revving my engine as you were being drug through the mud at a 265:1 ratio because my alternator is a 150a max rating at 2000rpms.

The maximum my alternator can help is 150amps; then it's on the battery. Well since you asked how is that a problem and how the asshole is trying to screw me over, the winch at full load will pull over 300amps. The average starter current draw can spike at 150amps. So if I was winching you for a ten minute pulll, with the alternator putting out 150amps and my battery having to pull the other 150a...that is the electrical equivalent to me sitting an cranking my engine over for that five minute period just off the battery.

So while you feel like we were being ass holes, perhaps it's because the idiot decided to take a, what 5000lb rig?, onto a tributary surface that has only been dry for a month or two; then wonder why he got stuck.

The red Jeep didn't just magically show up to help you, we were asked for help by the guy you were with. My Jeep showed up to get the both of you out. So keep being an ungrateful contributor to the off-road community, keep acting like I owed you something and that is what I should have done..but do not call on me, or have your friends call on me for anything in the future. I should have left your rig there for the next big rain.




And you have to pay to play. I can afford it alright, I can afford to own what it takes to recover myself too if I were to get stuck. The guy had no strap or winch. I have winched out and recovered dozens of vehicles without asking for anything, so for those that keep talking about karma, I am not a greedy person who seeks out trying to make money of stuck people that ask for help. It's never cost me anything, it's been a quick 5 minute deal and I was on my way, no harm done. This took a bit of time, my winch was boiling hot, my battery was severely depleted, it wasn't a 2 mile trip to "help" and go home..it worked my gear hard.

So what I've been reading is:
I am the one out of line that went and got his rig buried knee high
I am the one out of line that went and asked for help
I am the one out of line that has the proper equipment to recover his own vehicle in the event I were to get stuck
I am the one out of line that dropped what I was worked on to go help
and finally I am the one out of line that asked for reimbursement for something that failed while trying to help someone else.

I get that accurately?

Hey Dude ,

I agree with ya ... So I'll THANK YOU for the Stuckee ! Thanks !

I would have at least offered you something , that's how I am . Some folks are different and because of that , we ALL need to just take some things with a grain ....

Have a GREAT Day !

[dsbike]

So there you have it. There are 2 sides to every story. Sounds to me like both guys that came out to help spent a good part of their day trying to get you out of a sticky situation. Personally I would have been knocking on both of their doors the next day to make it right for what they've done to help me out.

I rarely take payment for helping out, but in an extreme case like this, when offered I think I would.

Goodysgotocuda, don't think all Toyota drivers are ungrateful.

But on the defense of the guy who got stuck, he was asking if it was possible if you had wear on your equipment.

[mudslinger]

I'm grateful for all that has been shared in this thread. I know this has caused me to ponder and maybe rethink a few things when it comes to off-road assistance. The people I usually ride with share a same philosophy: "will will never leave you behind, and will stay and help until you get out". Hopefully we would work out any differences such as those presented here. But ... what happens when you run across someone you don't know who needs help -- someone who may not share your viewpoints or philosophies (whether right or wrong)? Do you accept help from someone you don't know if you think their equipment may break? Do you continue helping someone if you think your equipment may break? Who pays for what? What is the legal thing to do? What is the right thing to do? BTW these are are rhetorical questions....

I'll have to think on this some more, but I believe my philosophy will remain to err on the side of helping where I can, trying to communicate as much as possible upfront (to help avoid any misunderstandings), and at least offering to be overly generous to those who help me. Of course, hopefully this will all be tempered by some of the wisdom I've accrued over the years for getting a pretty quick read on people -- not always accurate

[nc_fjizzle]

Somebody didn't think Jeep guys could find a Toyota forum.

I know Goody, he's good people. I would say his request was more than reasonable.

[Tribal]

Both guys seem to be very reasonable. I'm optimistic this is being handled in a friendly and professional manner.

[Greggry]

I learned my lesson. Getting majorly stuck and getting picked up by buddies (none who had a truck) to go to Walmart and pick up some makeshift recovery gear. 200$ later I get back to where I was stuck and spent over 3 hours hand winching on my own because my friends weren't strong enough to use the come along. Then having since spent the better part of 5k in gear to aid in the recovery of others and myself, I realize how expensive it is. If I pulled someone out I wouldn't outright ask for something, but at the same time if the person was ungreatful I would be pretty pissed.

[timbo2]

I think it was the comment about how Toyotas are not bulit for off-roading that got his and my dander up. I'd like to have been a fly on the window to hear the real story. Yeah, it's great he helped. Yeah the OP was a little nuts to try a slime pit like he did. Yeah, the Jeep guy deserves compensation. But nobody, I mean NOBODY like to have thier rigs trashed-No matter what the circumstance, or how "nicely" it's done.
JMO, Tim

[goodysgotacuda]

It's nice to see the FJ community has a good sense of pride within their group!

timbo2 previously said:

I think it was the comment about how Toyotas are not bulit for off-roading that got his and my dander up. I'd like to have been a fly on the window to hear the real story.

The guy that was giving him the ribbing is one of the most genuine good hearted guys I know. If he at all felt like a little ribbing would have offended the guy, he wouldn't have done it, if he was offended; I apologize on his behalf. The Ford/Chevy/Mopar guys do it all the time, the Muscle/Import guys go back and forth, the Jeep/Hummer/Toyota guys poke at each other some; it's always been there. Back in Vegas we had various groups of 'Yota truggies, old Power Wagons, K5 blazers, Suzukis, Hummers, Jeeps, you name it all running the same trails. A little ribbing on each rig was part of the entertainment!

If "patrick32378" decides he would like to like to change his mind; my PayPal is at goodysgotacuda@yahoo.com.

[MAXXFJ]

Well, just a few comments & thoughts after reading through this thread. Damn, I'm heading out into the wood today, this got me all pumped up. I'm not sure where I fall on the battery payment thing, Goody's got a point here. As far as Jeep guy's busting on FJ guy's...It is what it is. I've never met any Jeep guy's that gave me a hard time, anytime I've come across them in the local woods, tons of trails here & I'm the only FJ in the outback, the Jeep guy's only have compliments on my FJ. I go wheeling alone most of the time & when I run into a group of Jeeps they always ask if I want to jump in line with them. Sometimes I do, sometimes not. The times I don't are the times the Jeeps are decked out to the max for killer bushwack'n. My FJ is quite capable for the most part, but is also my daily driver so I know my limits. When wheel'n, I don't care what your driving, FJ, Jeep, Isuzu Amigo(had one, don't laugh, they kick a$$), Suzuki, If it wheels I like it. Screw brand names, Just wheel it! OK, I'm going wheel'n now.