4x4 / Off-Road TechThis section contains all discussion related to taking the FJ Cruiser in Off-Road situations, 4x4 applications and any armor modifications.
I have lots of fat and skinney tires. I must say my stock 46CJ2A will out wheel most rigs (including my FJ) in most terrains. It has the original cookie cutter tires. Look at these wheeling pics. They are my two brothers and it is my flattie. Keep in mind the flattie with absolutely NO modifications went everywhere my brother's Lexus on 37" swampers and locked front/rear went. You "I had 10.50 tires so I know" guys may know about your rig but I know first hand about the true WWII jeeps. I take that thing everywhere and it never lets me down. My brother driving my flattie had the camera so there are not as many pics of him. I have all the jeeps etc. and I must say driving the stock flattie is more fun than my Scout II on D60/14bolt/ARB/coilovers/stak 3speed t-case/swampers/V8/PSC rock ram/corbeau racing seats/Auotmeter carbon fiber gauges/caged/ etc etc etc.
Drive a willys on the trail and you will understand.
post of the thread, cracked up so hard reading this one I fell out of the chair, thanks
you know not to sound immodest, but i think you may be right!! it made me laugh too.. i dont know where that came from! i guess it'd be lame to quote myself in my sig but i think i might!
I have lots of fat and skinney tires. I must say my stock 46CJ2A will out wheel most rigs (including my FJ) in most terrains. It has the original cookie cutter tires. Look at these wheeling pics. They are my two brothers and it is my flattie. Keep in mind the flattie with absolutely NO modifications went everywhere my brother's Lexus on 37" swampers and locked front/rear went. You "I had 10.50 tires so I know" guys may know about your rig but I know first hand about the true WWII jeeps. I take that thing everywhere and it never lets me down. My brother driving my flattie had the camera so there are not as many pics of him. I have all the jeeps etc. and I must say driving the stock flattie is more fun than my Scout II on D60/14bolt/ARB/coilovers/stak 3speed t-case/swampers/V8/PSC rock ram/corbeau racing seats/Auotmeter carbon fiber gauges/caged/ etc etc etc.
Drive a willys on the trail and you will understand.
I have lots of fat and skinney tires. I must say my stock 46CJ2A will out wheel most rigs (including my FJ) in most terrains. It has the original cookie cutter tires. Look at these wheeling pics. They are my two brothers and it is my flattie. Keep in mind the flattie with absolutely NO modifications went everywhere my brother's Lexus on 37" swampers and locked front/rear went. You "I had 10.50 tires so I know" guys may know about your rig but I know first hand about the true WWII jeeps. I take that thing everywhere and it never lets me down. My brother driving my flattie had the camera so there are not as many pics of him. I have all the jeeps etc. and I must say driving the stock flattie is more fun than my Scout II on D60/14bolt/ARB/coilovers/stak 3speed t-case/swampers/V8/PSC rock ram/corbeau racing seats/Auotmeter carbon fiber gauges/caged/ etc etc etc.
Drive a willys on the trail and you will understand.
I thought you were making a good point until I read the other thread and the part that said the Lexus made it up one part the Willys wouldn't? With the hood up was that due to engine issues not something else hopefully?
I thought you were making a good point until I read the other thread and the part that said the Lexus made it up one part the Willys wouldn't? With the hood up was that due to engine issues not something else hopefully?
Stock one barrel carb needs a rebuild. My brother was turning one of the few screws on the carb to speed up the idle. Not bad for a 46. I think it was flooding out when at steep angles that day because it had been having that issue before. The last line my brother took in the LX470 has a large ledge at the beginning which requires a rock stacking to get over the initial ledge. Then it is fine the rest of the way. When you crank over a 6volt it sounds like it is going to die any second because of how slow it cranks. It still manages to start every time. If you take the oil bath air cleaner tube off you can watch the raw fuel pour (I mean literally pouring) into the intake manifold. I will try and post some more pics of it on the trail with other jeeps. I have them on my other computer. It has gone everywhere those pics were taken and even more. That crack is scarey in a narrow rig. I must say cracks are not that hard to navigate but they look cool. It is amazing how well a light little rig works on the trail. I don't fault all those doubters out there because I was once a doubter. I found this stock 46 for $1500 in a yard, picked it up at 2:00pm, and was wheeling with the local jeep club the next morning at 8:00am. It had not been started since 1989 according to the p.o. and everything works, including all the stock gauges. If you ever get a chance to take a ride in a stock willys do it, you will learn the power of skinney tires. I originally doubted the need for a roll cage because I did not think it would do much. After the last run we decided to make one before taking it out again.
Bob
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46 CJ2A stock: 47 CJ2A 4.3V6FI-T18 granny PS,PB,D44 locked on 35 HF winch:72 ScoutII FI345V8,Auto,Stak 3spd,ARB,PSC ram,D60/14Bolt,Fox coilovers:98TJ OXlockers,Teralow,Long arm 4link,X-8000i,AGR ram,caged,etc:97FJ 33's,paint,shooting for baja on 2010: 98 cummins 6.7 pimped pulling a nice flatbed
Last edited by rupert14 : 11-10-2007 at 08:33 PM.
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Ok I am done reading...What does the military run today 2007 ok? Lets start there assuming these A holes know what is best with their budgets and what nots.
With a conversation about the military using skinny wheels.....and the battle that persued....I would like to throw in a twist....
Now they(military) use the humvee....37" tires 10.5 wide....and NO solid axles!!!
so why do they use four wheel independent suspension if we all want the solid axle????
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BellyDoc previously said:
You've seen that system... heck... you OWNED it. Their 4 wheel independent suspension system is from ANOTHER PLANET. It's totally unlike anything that you see on other street vehicles. The independent drive axles dive into the wheel assembly at a 45 degree angle. You could drive a military hummer OVER a guy sipping margaritas in a lawn chair, complete with side table, and not muss his hair.
The military is not looking to rock crawl. They want a weapons grade vehicle which can get people over navigable terrain quickly and without fail, even if riddled with holes.
The hummer specializes in ground clearance. When it needs to articulate, it does a decent job. When it needs more, it flies wheels and keeps going because it's so freakin' wide and long compared to it's height, it's stable.
A Hummer would get wedged in Box Canyon, a trail passable in a Subaru Brat.
A Hummer would probably not be able to navigate the switchbacks climbing out of Martinez Canyon without having to do a 96 point turn each time.
The military doesn't use Hummers for every troop movement... remember, they're just like we are, they're ALWAYS going to use the largest powertool available for the job, whatever the job.
The military moves people into rock crawl territory using HELICOPTERS!
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Apexbasher previously said:
Or, more often than not, on foot. Now THAT'S rock crawlin'!
Well put BellyDoc. The H1 has little actual articulation, but relies more on it's outrageous ground clearance, horsepower, and independent suspension for fast movement, stability, and maneuverability over passable terrain. This is something it is exceedingly good at.
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2008 AT 4x4 Voodoo Blue FJ with not enough trail pin-striping
I think one thing we need to remember is that our FJ front ends are just a tad lighter duty than what the military uses. Ever see a Hummer up close? Now those are CV joints! If we could buy IFS rigs with the beef of the military, then many of us would still be using it. When it comes to beating stuff up or driving it offroad, we tend to buy one ton parts, beef them up more, and throw them under our half ton rigs. Even then we break stuff. Swapping in IFS can be somewhat more difficult. Both solid and IFS have distinct advantages depending on the terrain as do wide vs. skinney tires. I tried to show that even skinney tires can work well. Trying to say one is "better" than the other depends on the rig, terrain, driver, and luck.
Here are more of the flattie. It never got stuck and we never had to back up. Even when both rocker panels were sitting on the rocks. When the run started they told me we would be turning back. The little dude is one of my future jeepers.
Bob
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46 CJ2A stock: 47 CJ2A 4.3V6FI-T18 granny PS,PB,D44 locked on 35 HF winch:72 ScoutII FI345V8,Auto,Stak 3spd,ARB,PSC ram,D60/14Bolt,Fox coilovers:98TJ OXlockers,Teralow,Long arm 4link,X-8000i,AGR ram,caged,etc:97FJ 33's,paint,shooting for baja on 2010: 98 cummins 6.7 pimped pulling a nice flatbed
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