how to disable VSC (it works)

[Dragon]

I'll keep mine connected

[tnegiet]

JLam previously said:

If history serves as a guide, this thread has the potential to get very heated. I'm just reminding all participants to keep it civil, and if you feel the need to attack something, attack arguments, NOT the person making the argument.

OK? OK.

Holy crap...a pre-emptive spanking!

[Guisepi]

Landrover previously said:

Sweet! Bring the update when you do the switch.

As far as the safety thing goes, I grew up in Minnesota (yea...we had some snow) and I drove cars, trucks, whatever that didn't have traction control or ABS for that matter and did just fine. Yeah sure there was some times that I sure could've used it, but oh well. But going around doing doughnuts and driving sideways (are all drift racers from snowy places?) in the snow was a very fond memory and I haven't out grown it yet.

So the next time it snows here (yeah right), I'm going to go over to the mini mall that I own, disconnect the traction control (by popping the hood or using the switch if I have one by then), and rip off some sweet doughnuts and laugh my arse off.

Just give us smart people the choice of whether or not to have such features engaged or not. I'm sick of people (or machines) thinking for me all the time. It's just a switch that to me is no different than the A-TRAC and you don't hear people saying that you can't do without it, not even Toyota.

AMEN!!

[san antonio fj]

btw the parking break light stays on when disconnected and i think the ABS is off!!!!

[JLam]

tnegiet previously said:

Holy crap...a pre-emptive spanking!

Next I'm going to ban someone before they even sign up!

[SoccerDad]

Why do we constanty search out ways to kill ourselves, or others?

[MacTiki]

Oh my gosh what did the world do when there was no ABS or VSC...

Nice post I was looking for a way to do this!!!!

Thanks for the info

MACTIKI

[san antonio fj]

yeah this is my first car w/ ABS or VSC. i dont like the fact that a computeris controlling MY car, but im gonna keep in on when on the road

[mxboy57]

my lexus has a button to turn the VSC off if you dont want it. I wonder why they didn't put this feature on the FJ?

[moby33]

MoSun previously said:

I have a Camaro Z28 with 320 hp at the rear wheels. It has a button on the dashboard that controls wheel spin. Traction control it's called. Driving this car is very safe normal day to day driving but, if I turn off traction control it's as wild a ride as anything you can imagine. It's a very unsafe car with it turned off. I assume the FJ would be the same way and since you've already LIT UP THE TIRES ON THE STREET I also assume you will be doing it again after YOUR bypasss switch is installed. I hope you understand I only protest because of the safety risks involved in bypassing VSC and that you posted about how to do it so others can try it for themselves. Bad very very bad practice on or off road. IMHO

MoSun

OK Big Brother, please don't think I'm bashing anyone, but I'm going to disagree with MoSun and agree w/ a few others so far. Personally, I think we are developing safer & safer vehicles at the expense of good 'ol driving skills. A Z28 w/ 320HP is by no means a crazy car to drive w/o traction control, as long as you have driven cars w/o computers telling you how to drive. I'm amazed how many people I talk to today that have NEVER driven a car w/o power brakes or power steering (let alone ABS or traction control systems). If you never experience driving w/o all these power & computer systems, you really don't know the limits of a car. I think people should drive a non-power brake car at least for a few days so they really know how much work goes into stopping a car when you jam on the brakes. Personally, I get a TON of satisfaction with jamming on the breaks of a classic car w/ no pwr brakes or ABS and stop w/o skidding. That comes with practice, something ABS can't teach you. By learning how to control cars at their limits teaches people how to really drive. Nowadays there are so many pathetic drivers on the roads it's scary.

It pains me to say it, but I really think in general Europeans are better drivers. In general they have less computer systems on the cars they offer the masses, yet improve things like brakes (many US models have to upgrade their brake packages before selling in Europe). Why? IMO America makes cars to get the idiots out of trouble, while the Europeans make cars that handle better in the hands of a skilled driver. Europeans drive on tighter roads & at greater speeds and guess what, they get out of the way of each other by using their mirrors & only driving in the left lane to pass...something that the US really needs to do better.

Therefore, I applaud ideas like letting me disable the VSC on my FJ since I know I can handle the FJ without it. Will I turn it off all the time? Obviously not. But please don't think that the minute you disconnect the VSC all hell is going to break loose on this vehicle. Even if you eliminated all computers onboard the FJ, it's still a million times more refined & safe to drive than any 80's Jeep, yet somehow people weren't killing themselves at alarming rates back then. Why? Because in general, the public had better driving skills than nowadays (IMO).