I don't no where you get your info, but that is Not correct! No Bullet Tumbles, if it does, you have a major problem with the barrel. The 5.56 x 45mm will however tumble upon IMPACT. Lets keep the information correct. Thanks
Dude, that's what "terminal ballistics" means. Terminal, as in where the bullet ends up. Here's the terminology in context:-
And as the diagrams show, about 4 inches after impact, not at impact, if we are being entirely precise.
But even with the mis-read you remind me why my AR15s have 1:7 and 1:8 twist, the original M-16 had a 1:14 twist that won't stabilize modern rounds. The current 1:9 twist won't stabilize a modern heavy commercial bullet adequately for longer ranges. 223 Remington rounds, properly stabilized by a fast twist, are stable too. But then they tend to be hollowpoints and expand anyway.
And as the diagrams show, about 4 inches after impact, not at impact, if we are being entirely precise.
But even with the mis-read you remind me why my AR15s have 1:7 and 1:8 twist, the original M-16 had a 1:14 twist that won't stabilize modern rounds. The current 1:9 twist won't stabilize a modern heavy commercial bullet adequately for longer ranges. 223 Remington rounds, properly stabilized by a fast twist, are stable too. But then they tend to be hollowpoints and expand anyway.
Part of my job for twelve years.
Yeh Part of mine too for over 20 years...You would be surprised on the amount of people I have met over the years that think that ths 5.56 tumbles down range. That is why I wanted to insure we were talking about the same thing.
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IMHO, revolvers are not more reliable than autopistol. Actually for me, it is the other way around. If you carry a revolver, better keep it clean. A pistol (a new Taurus then) once jammed on me, completely locked up. It took a trip to the gunsmith to get it working again. Most pistol jams can be cleared on the spot (such as using tap-rack-bang procedure) or worse, can be field-stripped and cleared by the user without tools. Not so for a revolver.
Modern auto pistols can be dropped in mud and continue to function or quickly cleared on the field and put back into operation. Accidentally drop any revolver in the mud or sand on the trail and chances are that you are now without a firearm.
Modern pistols such as Glock, HK and Sig are extremely reliable, even when dirty. They would be my choice in the field. No revolver for me.
My opinion, if going with a handgun, choose a well-made autopistol and learn how to operate it well, learn how it operates, and how to clear malfunctions.
329 S&W .44mag here, 28 ounces and is reasonably accurate and can be loaded as light or heavy as your intended use. 250gr swc @ 900 fps is pretty good medicine for what ever critter your after and is not bad recoil wise for the very light package.
I don't no where you get your info, but that is Not correct! No Bullet Tumbles, if it does, you have a major problem with the barrel. The 5.56 x 45mm will however tumble upon IMPACT. Lets keep the information correct. Thanks
All spitzer type bullets will yaw after impact. The point at which the yaw begins is dependent on a number of factors. But basically the rear end of the bullet has more mass than the front end of the bullet and will swap ends once the round enters something like the body of an animal.
A 5.56 round does this in less distance than a 7.62 round.
A bullet that tumbles in flight would:
1) decelerate rapidly and be a very short range weapon
2) be inaccurate
It's easy to tell if a round is tumbling or not: shoot a paper target.
Are the holes round or keyhole shaped?
Round holes mean the bullet was stabilized and not tumbling.
Keyhole shaped means the round was not stable and was tumbling
The rifling in a rifle barrel exists to put a spin on the projectile and stabilize it in flight. (like a properly thrown football)
The spin also helps keep the round supersonic for as long as possible.
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Somebody asked about the IMI Desert Eagle. No longer made by IMI and no longer as well made as they used to be. Very large, for the capacity. A real problem to carry, vertical shoulder rigs are about your only option. A Hollywood gun.
The spin also helps keep the round supersonic for as long as possible.
Yes but that's a secondary effect, accuracy is the primary reason, a tumbling round is very unpredictable. Long rod penetrators aren't spun for stability, they are fin stabilized and retain their velocity much better.
Yes, all spitzer bullets yaw, but you can take steps to maximize or minimize the effect. You don't have to deliberately weaken the bullet so that it fragments either.
No argument with the rest, but I did say terminal ballistics, that's post impact, inside the target.
Yes but that's a secondary effect, accuracy is the primary reason, a tumbling round is very unpredictable. Long rod penetrators aren't spun for stability, they are fin stabilized and retain their velocity much better.
Yes, all spitzer bullets yaw, but you can take steps to maximize or minimize the effect. You don't have to deliberately weaken the bullet so that it fragments either.
No argument with the rest, but I did say terminal ballistics, that's post impact, inside the target.
Oh, sorry I wasn't correcting you, just building on what you had correctly said.
Also on long rod penetrators - for sure. was only talking about bullets from small arms, not sabot rounds, or things shot from a smooth bore.
In small arms, the transitions between sub-sonic and subsonic are problematic and more likely to be of issue than a depleted uranium penetrator from an Abrams.
I think we're in 100% agreement - I guess I wasn't clear in being supportive of your post - where you were correcting the original poster.
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IMHO, revolvers are not more reliable than autopistol. Actually for me, it is the other way around. If you carry a revolver, better keep it clean. A pistol (a new Taurus then) once jammed on me, completely locked up. It took a trip to the gunsmith to get it working again. Most pistol jams can be cleared on the spot (such as using tap-rack-bang procedure) or worse, can be field-stripped and cleared by the user without tools. Not so for a revolver.
Modern auto pistols can be dropped in mud and continue to function or quickly cleared on the field and put back into operation. Accidentally drop any revolver in the mud or sand on the trail and chances are that you are now without a firearm.
Modern pistols such as Glock, HK and Sig are extremely reliable, even when dirty. They would be my choice in the field. No revolver for me.
My opinion, if going with a handgun, choose a well-made autopistol and learn how to operate it well, learn how it operates, and how to clear malfunctions.
when it comes to miss fires though, you dont have to clear it, just keep pulling the trigger. easier on maintenance too.
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