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Old 03-25-2008, 01:25 PM   #1 (permalink)
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OK Am I nuts?

Wait, don't answer that...just yet....

I am shopping for an FJ. I emailed one dealer who then emailed me back. As indicated elsewhere, I have several colors I want but prefer Sandstorm...I want manual, but that isn't that much of a sticking point, and want the offroad package if possible, but definitely want a locking diff...want a roof rack and trailer hitch...love the steel wheels but they seem as rare as hens' teeth so I am likely to not get those.

Dude at internet department of Lackadaisical Toyota (not their real name) emails me back...this is the same dude who had earlier told me they had no Sandstorms with manual trans and steelies in the ENTIRE CONTINENTAL US...now he says he found the CAR I WANT...

He emails me a picture lifted from the brochure and says that is my car...I call him on it and he offers no explanation for his attempt at an obvious lie.

It is Silver, is an automatic, has all the foo foo options like running boards, billet pedal covers, atomic powered, leather-trimmed ashtrays, etc.,

It is missing some things I want that are expensive like roof rack, rock rails, trailer hitch...

And it is used...he calls it a "brass hat demo" which he translates to mean an "executive" drove it...for 6 months and 4,000 miles...

Now, if this were for sale for $22k I'd be all over it. Trouble is, homeboy wants $28k for his gussied up rig, and tells me I am being unreasonable as that is "4k off sticker" (for a new rig obv.) and he "doesn't know what I am thinking" if I don't find that a good deal...on a used rig...he again reiterates that is really hard to find one the way I want it and doesn't make any suggestions on how to do that...this is the same guy who claimed it to be impossible to order one...

OK, my thought is this guy is nuts and this is a terrible deal, for me or anyone else. Who knows how it was driven, who this "executive" was, how it was maintained, and can't I pretty much buy a new one for less than that with everything I want on it?

Am I nuts? For telling this guy where to stick his "executive demo" I mean?

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Old 03-25-2008, 01:29 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Re: OK Am I nuts?

I'm a fairly hardcore internet shopper/researcher and from my experience the internet sales folks (auto dealers) are a joke. When I eventually bought an FJ the internet sales guy calls me as I'm making the deal in the office; some five days after I ask for a quote.. Ron

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Wait, don't answer that...just yet....

I am shopping for an FJ. I emailed one dealer who then emailed me back. As indicated elsewhere, I have several colors I want but prefer Sandstorm...I want manual, but that isn't that much of a sticking point, and want the offroad package if possible, but definitely want a locking diff...want a roof rack and trailer hitch...love the steel wheels but they seem as rare as hens' teeth so I am likely to not get those.

Dude at internet department of Lackadaisical Toyota (not their real name) emails me back...this is the same dude who had earlier told me they had no Sandstorms with manual trans and steelies in the ENTIRE CONTINENTAL US...now he says he found the CAR I WANT...

He emails me a picture lifted from the brochure and says that is my car...

It is Silver, is an automatic, has all the foo foo options like running boards, billet pedal covers, atomic powered, leather-coated ashtrays, etc.,

It is missing some things I want that are expensive like roof rack, rock rails, trailer hitch...

And it is used...he calls it a "brass hat demo" which he translates to mean an "executive" drove it...for 6 months and 4,000 miles...

Now, if this were for sale for $22k I'd be all over it. Trouble is, homeboy wants $28k for his gussied up rig, and tells me I am being unreasonable as that is "4k off sticker" and he "doesn't know what I am thinking" if I don't find that a good deal...on a used rig.

OK, my thought is this guy is nuts and this is a terrible deal, for me or anyone else. Who knows how it was driven, who this "executive" was, how it was maintained, and can't I pretty much buy a new one for less than that with everything I want on it?

Am I nuts? For telling this guy where to stick his "executive demo" I mean?
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Re: OK Am I nuts?

That's pretty amazing... too bad you're emailing and not talking in person or you could push him down the stairs or something.
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Keep this in mind, the dealership will always call the demo's "new" for this reason: they have never been titled. Even though it's a used car to you an me, in their eyes, it's never been titled and therefore still "new" and yet another reason to rip off the uneducated consumer.
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I used a credit union buying service to purchase my FJC and was very happy with the service.
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That's pretty amazing... too bad you're emailing and not talking in person or you could push him down the stairs or something.
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I used a credit union buying service to purchase my FJC and was very happy with the service.
Thats what i did too! very easy and i got what i wanted. even out here in hawaii.
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I went three routes: auto broker, fleet sales person (through a personal contact), and direct to Orange Toyota with quick into from one of the guys at Toyota Motor Sales.

Auto broker's price for Package 2-equipped truck: $24,000.

Orange Toyota, Pkg 2-equipped: $28,000.

Fleet Sales person at Northridge Toyota base model: $28,000 which included OME lift, Demello skids, ARB bumper, Eagle Alloy wheels w/simulated beadlocks, Khumo 33" tires.
I've added approx. $2,200 worth of mods (dash instrument cluster, lockers, hitch) and seem to have ended up with an all right deal.

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The only benefit to selling a demo as new with 4k miles would be for special financing or rebates. Check within your state laws, new vehicles become used at a certain mileage break point.
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