If you live at the north pole; use synthetic.
If you live in Arizona; use synthetic.
Anywhere else, the dyno will handle all you can throw at it.
Case an point; of the racecar drivers that use synthetic, they show and prove no advantage. 95% of the nascar drivers run regular old dino. After every race, they all change oil. So show me where synthetic out do dino in normal driving. If you're rich; run synthetic (rich waist) If you're laymen; use dino(wise sense) now let's kill it. by the way, I like the sweet smell of valvoline.
Last edited by cruiser41 : 12-13-2006 at 09:34 AM.
I think you really need to do your research before posting. I think you're incorrect on almost every point you made.
1. 95% of the NASCAR teams DO NOT run dino oil. Synthetic is proven to provide roughly a 1-3% increase in horsepower. On a restricted motor making 700hp this comes out to around 21hp. You also failed to mention that most NASCAR teams swap out their engines after a race or two or rebuild it completely. Another thing, the engine and valvetrain components aren't designed for 100k + miles.
2. Dino leaves residue, doesn't last as long and doesn't have the cleansing properties of full synthetic.
I think you really need to do your research before posting. I think you're incorrect on almost every point you made.
1. 95% of the NASCAR teams DO NOT run dino oil. Synthetic is proven to provide roughly a 1-3% increase in horsepower. On a restricted motor making 700hp this comes out to around 21hp. You also failed to mention that most NASCAR teams swap out their engines after a race or two or rebuild it completely. Another thing, the engine and valvetrain components aren't designed for 100k + miles.
2. Dino leaves residue, doesn't last as long and doesn't have the cleansing properties of full synthetic.
Well said. Cruiser41, needs to get off the myth train. I work for a Champ Car team and yes, our Dyno shows significant (can't reveal specifics) HP improvement using Synthetic over conventional oil. Oil analysis also shows almost NO wear on engine components using Synthetic.
You want to put this to rest Cruiser41? Do more research and switch to Synthetic!!
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well Mr Hot Rod, riddle me this; why is it that almost all vehicles with 200k or more, will testify for dino. Again you say it , but you can't prove it. I don't know if you are old enough to remember, but there was gentlemen that toured the US, in his volvo, it had 1milliion miles on it, to bust your bubble, he used good old dirty, subpar, supposeably inferior, guming up the engine, dino. Now to this day, I have never had a oil related failure, using stinky, inferior dino, and I have gone over 100k using the stinky, dirty stuff. After ALL THE BIG TIME ADVERTISING about being superior, the masses still prefer inferior dino. Now if you really wont to back your statement, use dino for over 100k, and then talk the talk.
run synthetic (rich waist) If you're laymen; use dino(wise sense)
I don't give two craps about the rest of your points, but this statement bothers me. It is a perceived notion that *rich* people waste money, while hard-earning laymen are frugal. Rubbish. Rich people get rich for a reason. Sometimes, just maybe, that reason may be wise investments and tapping resources. Hmmm...
well Mr Hot Rod, riddle me this; why is it that almost all vehicles with 200k or more, will testify for dino. Again you say it , but you can't prove it. I don't know if you are old enough to remember, but there was gentlemen that toured the US, in his volvo, it had 1milliion miles on it, to bust your bubble, he used good old dirty, subpar, supposeably inferior, guming up the engine, dino. Now to this day, I have never had a oil related failure, using stinky, inferior dino, and I have gone over 100k using the stinky, dirty stuff. After ALL THE BIG TIME ADVERTISING about being superior, the masses still prefer inferior dino. Now if you really wont to back your statement, use dino for over 100k, and then talk the talk.
p.s. There is NOT 1 team in Champ Car or F1 that would think about putting old fashioned conventional oil in a multi million dollar race car. Not because we have more money, but because we don't want it blowing up. In case you don't get it, this technology transfers to passenger vehicles as well.
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Fj2play, are you talking about same viscosity? I just switched to Syntec and stayed with the mfr recommended 5W-30, so I'm curious. In your experience, would 5W-30 synthetic improve hp over 5W-30 dino? Or was the increase realized by going with a lighter weight synthetic that still provides equal protection of a heavier dino?
final word; I bet and arm and leg, that you, the synthetic guru, has never had a dino oil failure. signing off, good luck with your synthetic brain washing.
EDIT: This is just an interesting side note, not an argument for or against synthetics.
I've read/heard a few of these million mile stories and there's one thing that they all have in common. The engines and/or trannies were rebuilt at relatively low mileage (usually somewhere around 200k) but then never needed rebuilding for the rest of the million miles. I thought it was very interesting that the mfr built engine and tranny were only good for a couple hundred k, but the rebuilt ones were still going 800,000 miles later. Perhaps because the rebuild was done by hand and not robots? Curious.
Fj2play, are you talking about same viscosity? I just switched to Syntec and stayed with the mfr recommended 5W-30, so I'm curious. In your experience, would 5W-30 synthetic improve hp over 5W-30 dino? Or was the increase realized by going with a lighter weight synthetic that still provides equal protection of a heavier dino?
Yes, by switching just to Synthetic you can gain HP. That is not the goal here though with Passenger vehicles. HP gains will be so low, that if changing to Synthetic to gain HP only, the cost would not be worth it. We get 2 benefits from it in racing. HP and longevity. It's another insurance policy if you will.
Switching to Synthetic is for longevity of the engine only with passenger cars. ALWAYS use the manufacturer's recommended viscosity!! The Synthetic oil will do it's job as long as you do yours by using it...
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let's put and end to the oil question
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