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Old 07-06-2007, 09:00 PM   #1 (permalink)
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aFe CAI Hole Filled

Welp, in the process of doing like 4 mods at once. ((Breather Filter, Dual Battery and Adding a Fuse Block)) I gave myself a freebie and closed up the small portal hole on the Afe Cai. I'll post results tomorrow on what my temp on the Scangauge II is telling me.

Typically, I was running about 9 degrees over the outside temperature and I believe a good deal of that had to do with the hole in the engine compartment. Besides I believe it will need to be done before running a "snorkel setup"

Very simple to do and very simple to uninstall if need be. Just bolted it on there.



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Old 07-06-2007, 09:01 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Re: aFe CAI Hole Filled

Nice. I like the fact you counterbored it. Did you use silicone?

This has been on my to do list for months!
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Old 07-06-2007, 09:06 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Re: aFe CAI Hole Filled

Indeed, I used a bathtub silicone. It seals great and it's easy to remove if ever I need to. Mainly wanted to run a few tests on it and see if I noticed a temp difference.
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Old 07-06-2007, 09:20 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Re: aFe CAI Hole Filled

yeah it would nice to drop the AI temp a few degrees,
lets hear the results.
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Old 07-06-2007, 11:58 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Re: aFe CAI Hole Filled

Nice job... Silverdusk, Joel (Fab extraordinaire) can you make me one of those...
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Re: aFe CAI Hole Filled

I had a simpler idea, just get 2 peices of plastic or hard rubber cut to fit, drill a hole throught the middle of them and put a bolt with a wing nut and put one on each side so you could take it off without tools.
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Old 07-07-2007, 08:54 PM   #7 (permalink)
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I'm happy to inform you, that I'm getting 4-5 degrees cooler now. Not sure if this will have any influence on mileage or anything, but it couldn't hurt either.
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Re: aFe CAI Hole Filled

Great idea Silverdusk! Sometime this week I'm going to do this modification to my Afe Cai. Thanks for sharing, chris
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I considered this as well. I wrote to aFe and attach my question and their response:

"The only time you will see any engine air is at an idle. So you are under no throttle pressure so it really doesn't matter what type of air you burn. The only time it really matters is when you are under throttle pressure. When you are under throttle pressure is when you are moving. If you are moving you are forcing outside air into the engine compartment. The outside air is forcing the warm engine air out of the way and is inhaled by the filter to go into the engine. The extra air inlet is to allow more to reach the filter. If you close it you could lose some air flow.

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I have installed an aFe CAI system in my FJ Cruiser and while I am happy with the performance, I am puzzled by the ‘extra’ hole in the filter chamber that allows engine bay air to enter the system. This hole would seem to ingest hotter air than the port into the fender, and I am wondering if I close this port off if it will have a detrimental impact on the units performance. Can you explain the need for this port and tell me if closing it would be a mistake?

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Frankly, I found their response a bit obtuse, and they did not answer my question. Certainly air a few degrees colder would be ever so slightly more dense and should impact performance, however, when talking to an engineer who understands these things, his feeling was that a ten degree difference would be negligible and since the fender intake hole is smaller than the plenum delivering air to the throttle body,there would be a reduction in max performance at higher throttle loads - climbing up mountains, etc.

Closing the hole for a snorkel is a must, obviously. The snorkel I am working on is a simple design that would close both intake holes and a 5" or 6" diameter snorkel pipe will come directly out of the the top of the air box, thru the cover plate and hood and extend up about 6" to 12" above the hood, (it will telescope about 5".) The pipe would have a flange mount on the hood and a swiveling intake snout at the top with a non-restricting rain trap. It would only work with CAI equipped engines.

And no, don't ask....no pictures or drawings until I get it fabbed and installed. It will not be widely available, but should be easily copied by any body shop with someone capable of fabbing in stainless.
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Re: aFe CAI Hole Filled

Thanks Rick for the post and info. I figured if the TRD was fully closed, so it wouldn't hurt the afe to be. My understanding is afe makes the trd model and had to deviate somewhat in order to produce and sell their own model.

I may take my cover off, but I haven't noticed any difference at all in performance or any difference other than 5 degrees cooler w/ the Scangauge 2.

Lastly, I look forward to your snorkel, I may just have to follow your design once you've completed it. I've been thinking about custom crafting one myself.

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