I own the Walther. It has some things I don't like. Like to assemble it you really need to use the tool included with it to keep the recoil spring in line when putting the slide back on. And at times it doesn't fire or eject . Not a huge deal for me since I just take it out to plink.
I own the Walther. It has some things I don't like. Like to assemble it you really need to use the tool included with it to keep the recoil spring in line when putting the slide back on. And at times it doesn't fire or eject . Not a huge deal for me since I just take it out to plink.
Never fired the AR-7.
is it picky with ammo in your experience? how would you rate accuracy? how often you clean it? quality mags? ever used any other .22 pistols? hows it compare? do you feel its good value?
is it picky with ammo in your experience? how would you rate accuracy? how often you clean it? quality mags? ever used any other .22 pistols? hows it compare? do you feel its good value?
It tends to miss fire with several brands and types of ammo, but that's like 1 in 50 rounds.
Accuaracy, fair. I have one of those self reseting swinging targets from Cabelas. From 50 feet it takes a while to get the four to swing up. But again, that's from 50 feet and the targets are only like 3" across.
Since I have a hard time re-assembling it I don't clean it after every time shooting. Sometimes just hose it off, then spray some BreakFree in the slide grooves and around the barrel, then work it a few times.
I do like the magazines, seem to be of good quality, easy to load.
I also own a Taurus PT-22, it has never failed in any way. It used to ride in my back pocket when stopping at rest areas. That was before getting CCW's. I like my fathers Ruger 22/45, shoots well, but it is a larger pistol than the Walther or Taurus.
I bought the Walther like 7 years ago for about $250. I do like the feel of it, adjustable sights and grip. I mainly use it for plinking and it is close enough to my Glocks that I carry to practice some stuff. IE the three dot sights are close so I can keep the same picture. I think it was worth what I paid.
If you're going to get a 22, when why not an air gun?
If you're going to carry weight for defense, defend yourself. I would never advocate a revolver over a semiautomatic pistol based on the "reliability" of the entire category of weapons. A piece of crap gun is a piece of crap, no matter whether it's got a wheel or a stacked mag.
The reliability of HK USP pistols is unsurpassed, as is the durability, and the gun will shoot far more accurately than you'll be able to.
.22 LR is for playing with. It's not a defensive round. You can kill with an air rifle or even a BB gun in some cases, so nobody's going to argue with the fact that it's a GUN and therefore a deadly weapon... but as deadly weapons go, this one is bound to disappoint.
If all you really want to do is torment small animals, then a .22 is fine. If so, I'd recommend a Ruger 10/22 which is one of the most fun guns I have in my collection. This weapon has as much aftermarket optional support as the AR-15. You can build it up to be a folding bullpup style rifle with a large magazine, and it's ACCURATE.
If you just want a P22 and you're looking for a reason, then get one. They're fun, but they're so small that they don't fit well in an adult hand. I've got one, I don't hate it, but it doesn't get used much unless I'm teaching someone firearm basics.
I think you were right on track looking at the USP. I've got 2.
GLOCK. Probably the most reliable and durable pistol on the market. Your gonna spend a pretty penny to get one but I think its worth it. As for the caliber....pick your poison. Just my 2 cents
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Be sure to check that where you are going is legal to carry a firearm, the National Parks here in CA do not allow any firearms. With that said I think Sig's are the best pistols made and I personally like the 9mm cartridge. But others will chime in differently I am sure. I have a Sig P225 classic (made in West Germany) that is great little compact. The Walther P5 is very nice, as is the HK P7M8. If you want something newer styled, then the HK P2000's and Sig 2022? look good, though I have not fired them.
Probably the best thing is to go to a range and fire them to see which ones you like. I would feel fine back packing with any of the above. Oh and the hot tip among the LE crowd is the 124 grain +p+ JHP apparently.
Back in the 80's I used to have an AR-7, was a fun gun for what it is, though it would jam if you put too many rounds in the magazine.
After reading your posts I’m confused if you are looking for a fun gun/plinker or a real useful survival firearm. I suggest a Remington 870 12 Gauge shot gun or similar (i.e. clones). Excellent for any defence issue. Short barrelled models can be bought with folding stocks. What I take on camping trips can be found here Dlask Arms Corp. . Dlask does ship to the USA on a regular basis (sister company is on the other side of the border). The 8.5 " barrelled shot gun is quite light (4.5 lbs) and easy to stow in the Cruiser. On a hike it easily straps on to a frame pack or can be worn on a sling. The other camping firearm that is usually with my family is a Remington 700 LTR. It’s a 308 cal. 20” barrelled rifle that weighs in at 7.5 lbs. With Leupold M4 scope, sling & loaded mag. it weighs in at 10 lbs. These are the lightest most useful defensive camping fire arms I have found for Canadian Wilderness. Far as people protection goes I would think that there is nothing more intimidating looking then a shot gun. In a stressful situation a shot gun is wonderful for its simplicity of use when loaded with 00 Buck shot (aim not required as it sprays out of the barrel) with the last few rounds loaded as 3” slugs. It also requires very little practice.
My only concern when camping is bears and the above mentioned firearms are the minimum I would use against a Black bear or Grizzly as a last resort only. A Ruger Super Redhawk .454 Casull shortened to 4.5” or the Alasken 3 “ model would be the smallest pistol I would recommend for bears. It’s very nice (low recoil) to shoot with .45 Colt Cowboy Action loads. If auto loaders are really what you want the Glock 20 (10 mm) is a excellent choice (high cartridge capacity (15) or Glock 29 (compact version of the 20 holds 10 rnds) & 357 magnumish power) for black Bears but way light for Grizzly’s. There is also the option of using a .22 cal conversion kit such as Advantage Arms or Sciner for the Glocks. These are slide replacements so it takes about 15 seconds to change calibers. Just remember that if a bear is on top of you an auto loader will not cycle the slide if you have it stuffed into its belly and squeeze the trigger.
Usually with bear encounters you have some warning i.e. false charge verbal warnings (sounds like a huff huff sound) etc. Grizzly’s are highly intelligent and generally leave the area if they come across humans unless they have a kill or young in the area. With a Cougar, you’re screwed....if you ever see one.....just leave the area. They are amazing killing machines and attack without warning. Luckily this is very rare with adults and usually the animal is sick or old.
The small .22 cal. rifles and pistols are fun but they are functionally useless other then target shooting, rabbits, grouse etc. Just my 2 cents ..... and I don’t want to get into a calibre debate. My experience is not hobby based (i.e. internet BS) I work/live out doors as required for my chosen profession as a Forest professional. I have spent more days in a tent in my adult life then I have in a house. I have unfortunately had many bear encounters which generally turn out with me running/walking away. Sometimes the bears chase after you and you have no choice. Far as Cougars go...I have seen them rarely and I instantly leave the area. I have worked with one fellow that was actually attacked by a Cougar when working on the B.C. coast and had the scars and news paper clipping to prove it....nasty looking scars. He claims there was absolutely no warning. I believe him....I’ve had fresh tracks in the snow around me and never seen or heard a thing.
Get a big calibre if you want a firearm for defence. Get a .22 if you want a plinker. Get a Glock with a .22 cal conversion kit if you want both. Get a shot gun if you want simple easy to use defensive tool. Sorry for the long winded write up.
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excellent write up runt... if i was ever in trouble the last thing that i would want is a 22, just have to be too accurate to do anything... thanks again runt
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After reading your posts I’m confused if you are looking for a fun gun/plinker or a real useful survival firearm. I suggest a Remington 870 12 Gauge shot gun or similar (i.e. clones). Excellent for any defence issue. Short barrelled models can be bought with folding stocks. What I take on camping trips can be found here Dlask Arms Corp. . Dlask does ship to the USA on a regular basis (sister company is on the other side of the border). The 8.5 " barrelled shot gun is quite light (4.5 lbs) and easy to stow in the Cruiser. On a hike it easily straps on to a frame pack or can be worn on a sling. The other camping firearm that is usually with my family is a Remington 700 LTR. It’s a 308 cal. 20” barrelled rifle that weighs in at 7.5 lbs. With Leupold M4 scope, sling & loaded mag. it weighs in at 10 lbs. These are the lightest most useful defensive camping fire arms I have found for Canadian Wilderness. Far as people protection goes I would think that there is nothing more intimidating looking then a shot gun. In a stressful situation a shot gun is wonderful for its simplicity of use when loaded with 00 Buck shot (aim not required as it sprays out of the barrel) with the last few rounds loaded as 3” slugs. It also requires very little practice.
My only concern when camping is bears and the above mentioned firearms are the minimum I would use against a Black bear or Grizzly as a last resort only. A Ruger Super Redhawk .454 Casull shortened to 4.5” or the Alasken 3 “ model would be the smallest pistol I would recommend for bears. It’s very nice (low recoil) to shoot with .45 Colt Cowboy Action loads. If auto loaders are really what you want the Glock 20 (10 mm) is a excellent choice (high cartridge capacity (15) or Glock 29 (compact version of the 20 holds 10 rnds) & 357 magnumish power) for black Bears but way light for Grizzly’s. There is also the option of using a .22 cal conversion kit such as Advantage Arms or Sciner for the Glocks. These are slide replacements so it takes about 15 seconds to change calibers. Just remember that if a bear is on top of you an auto loader will not cycle the slide if you have it stuffed into its belly and squeeze the trigger.
Usually with bear encounters you have some warning i.e. false charge verbal warnings (sounds like a huff huff sound) etc. Grizzly’s are highly intelligent and generally leave the area if they come across humans unless they have a kill or young in the area. With a Cougar, you’re screwed....if you ever see one.....just leave the area. They are amazing killing machines and attack without warning. Luckily this is very rare with adults and usually the animal is sick or old.
The small .22 cal. rifles and pistols are fun but they are functionally useless other then target shooting, rabbits, grouse etc. Just my 2 cents ..... and I don’t want to get into a calibre debate. My experience is not hobby based (i.e. internet BS) I work/live out doors as required for my chosen profession as a Forest professional. I have spent more days in a tent in my adult life then I have in a house. I have unfortunately had many bear encounters which generally turn out with me running/walking away. Sometimes the bears chase after you and you have no choice. Far as Cougars go...I have seen them rarely and I instantly leave the area. I have worked with one fellow that was actually attacked by a Cougar when working on the B.C. coast and had the scars and news paper clipping to prove it....nasty looking scars. He claims there was absolutely no warning. I believe him....I’ve had fresh tracks in the snow around me and never seen or heard a thing.
Get a big calibre if you want a firearm for defence. Get a .22 if you want a plinker. Get a Glock with a .22 cal conversion kit if you want both. Get a shot gun if you want simple easy to use defensive tool. Sorry for the long winded write up.
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