FJ Windshield Class Action Lawsuit Has Begun - Page 24

JimmyHoops · 05-04-2007, 02:32 PM

AF Chief,

I agree with you. As for those worried about resale value, if it's that much of a concern then head to the dealer immediately and trade in your FJ or sell it on E-Bay before your fears are manifested by a lawsuit. I believe this thinking is flawed since all windshields will be replaced at some point in a vehicles lifetime. Hopefully by then, it will be the "new and improved" glass so that this logic beomes a moot point.

As for me, I'm in it for the long haul and plan to outlast my extended warranty in years of ownership. This is my primary reason for getting involved. I want this issue resolved so I can freely drive my FJ when I wish and not have to worry excessively about typical road debris for many years (and perhaps decades) to come.

I agree about the hard data issue. The funny thing is that the only one with hard data is Toyota. They know exactly how many windshields have been broken since they are the only ones supplying glass on the market. And for the sake of argument, I have discounted any PPG windshields since we have yet to have an owner step up to the plate and relay their experience directly.

Guess it's easy to control actual replacement numbers (by members and non-members of the forum) when you control the supply! It also becomes very easy to claim there is no percieved problem with a product when all actual numbers are kept in-house. I'm sure that they can compare this data to other vehicles in thier line as well as produce statistics for every verhicle they have ever produced. Statiticians are good that way.

I wonder if the lawyers can request this information without having to rely upon a court order to release it? Personally, I don't think that Toyota would volunteer such information so easily, but it would be interesting to see if they would. In my opinon, that is the true "hard data" everyone is seeking and I believe that releasing this information would prove our claim of the windshield being a defective product!

Can't wait to get the play-by-play on this one!

**Mtbcoach** · 05-04-2007, 02:43 PM

You know, you guys are way to smart for me and the big auto giant known as Toyota. We have been monitoring this site since its inception. You clever guys have figured out the I'm merely a highly paid internet monitor, planting posts throughout the various forums to dispute claims of Toyota's fault in producing the FJ Cruiser. Of course we know the windshield is weak and defective, that is how we make such a huge profit, make a popular vehicle that many will pay sticker for but cut production quality so increase profit. We prevented the production of aftermarket windshields by not releasing the "molds", thus making any FJ Cruiser owner who has a broken windshield (yes, we know by the polls here that 50% of owners have broken windshields) pay $1400 for another weak and defective piece of glass, perpetuating the cycle. Assuming the trend continues, all we have to do is produce windshields and our profit will continue to rise and dominate the other automakers of the world. This is our new plan for dominance and eventual ruin of US automakers.

I made a previous accusation of hysteria, with this now turning to such ridiculous accusations as being minions for Toyota to disrupt such a ridiculous premiss as this "grass roots" lawsuit has turned to some absurd internet joke on all of us.

As I have stated before, I object to such actions because I believe these types of lawsuits do nothing but feed lawyers, inflate prices and do nothing for the consumer.

If you have reached such a state of clinical paranoia that you believe ANY automaker, let alone Toyota would waste one second of time in an effort to derail this thread's topic, you need to revisit your psych, get the meds re-evaluated and hide your keys. If Toyota is reading this, they are laughing, just as I did when I read that I may be a Toyota "bot" due to the fact I posted an opinion not popular with some of you.

Have fun, bot mode off...

JimmyHoops · 05-04-2007, 02:59 PM

MTB,

You can rant all you want. You will still not receive any sympathy here for your recalcitrant, self appointed "voice of reason," point of view. Why don't you go hang out on the "no damage here" windshield thread.

Preach all you want from the highest soap-box you can find...it will still fall upon deaf ears and not change a damn thing that has been set in motion!

FJORD · 05-04-2007, 03:06 PM

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RonDeF previously said:

It can't hurt, and can only help. The Honda Element owners made out ok, they got a 60,000 mile warranty out of their class action lawsuit. That isn't bad since I need another windshield and I only have 4500 miles on my FJ.

Tie up the already over taxed judicial system costing the taxpayers more of their hard earned money......sure no harm in that

And I do have a ding in mine, it was sealed and I consider a badge of honor

send lawyers, guns and money!

Bang Bang · 05-04-2007, 03:10 PM

MTB - That was some funny arse chit!!! Thanks, this thread needed some levity.

Jimmy - I think we all understand that you are very pationate about this cause and that is great (before you start in on me I am still on the fence on this whole issue...read my previous post). But this is a forum, an exchange of thoughts and ideas. Why is it that people in this thread can't have opposing ideas?? I'm not bashing anyone here, just trying to understand why you and Ron seem to be taking the opposers opinions as personal attacks. I guess what I am trying to say is that you will attract more flies with honey than with vinegar!!

FJORD · 05-04-2007, 03:11 PM

Wonder how many original FJ40 owners have sued over broken windshields?

Have fun stormin' the castle!

**Mtbcoach** · 05-04-2007, 03:17 PM

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JimmyHoops previously said:

MTB,

You can rant all you want. You will still not receive any sympathy here for your recalcitrant, self appointed "voice of reason," point of view. Why don't you go hang out on the "no damage here" windshield thread.

Preach all you want from the highest soap-box you can find...it will still fall upon deaf ears and not change a damn thing that has been set in motion!

Get a new dictonary today?

Take the time to read the threads again to find I'm not asking nor wanting any sympathy, nor self-appointed. There are many who believe as I do that this is a waste of money and the judicial system. Get over yourselves. I can give a rats @ss, run its course just be honest to post the results when it ends, then I'll touch bases again.

Bye bye from the Toyota bot...

JimmyHoops · 05-04-2007, 03:20 PM

Quote:

FJORD previously said:

Tie up the already over taxed judicial system costing the taxpayers more of their hard earned money......sure no harm in that

And I do have a ding in mine, it was sealed and I consider a badge of honor

send lawyers, guns and money!

Unfortunately, it's the only legal system we have. Like it or not, it is our civilized way to find solutions to grievances. No one, including yourself, has the right to determine what is frivelous and what is not, without going through the proper legal procedure first.

Sure, you are entitled to your opinion, but this argument is weak by virtue of the fact that your charge of this suit being frivelous is unfounded. If not, then provide some cases studies that support your claim. Contrary to your claim, we have the presedence of Daniel v. American Honda Motor Co. (see: http://www.gilardi.com/hondaelement/#) to prove otherwise. Until you do, we'll have to let the courts figure that one out.

**Mtbcoach** · 05-04-2007, 03:23 PM

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Bang Bang previously said:

MTB - That was some funny arse chit!!! Thanks, this thread needed some levity.

Thanks, I couldn't resist trying to lighten things up a bit but it didn't go over very well, did it...

Quote:

Bang Bang previously said:

Jimmy - I think we all understand that you are very pationate about this cause and that is great (before you start in on me I am still on the fence on this whole issue...read my previous post). But this is a forum, an exchange of thoughts and ideas. Why is it that people in this thread can't have opposing ideas?? I'm not bashing anyone here, just trying to understand why you and Ron seem to be taking the opposers opinions as personal attacks. I guess what I am trying to say is that you will attract more flies with honey than with vinegar!!

You make a good point...

JimmyHoops · 05-04-2007, 03:42 PM

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Mtbcoach previously said:

Get a new dictonary today?

Take the time to read the threads again to find I'm not asking nor wanting any sympathy, nor self-appointed. There are many who believe as I do that this is a waste of money and the judicial system. Get over yourselves. I can give a rats @ss, run its course just be honest to post the results when it ends, then I'll touch bases again.

Bye bye from the Toyota bot...

Nice comeback..."get a new dictionary"...I almost fell out of my chair with all the burn marks scorching my body.

No, it's call an advanced education at a top 20 school and some graduate school until I determined that I didn't want to teach.

You still have not openly stated that you do not work for Toyota short of your rhetorical quips about life in 'botland'. Guess your boss can turn on your 'bot' mode by remote. And if you didn't give a rat's A$$ then you wouldn't be spending so much time rebutting something you truely don't believe in and would have moved onto another topic by now.

Personally, I don't care who you work for and it still won't change the forward momentum of this lawsuit. Your opinion has been duely noted, now it's time to quit beating a dead cow and go take your meds to prevent your severe case of diarrhea of the mouth.