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Re: Attention: ALL Current FJC Owners !!!
Last I checked, my FJ still does not have this problem, but I am just wondering how it would be handled in Germany (where the FJ is not sold, but where I am moving with the truck) if I do start to see it... any guesses??
Last I checked, my FJ still does not have this problem, but I am just wondering how it would be handled in Germany (where the FJ is not sold, but where I am moving with the truck) if I do start to see it... any guesses??
You'll get deported.....there will be no bulges or crack in Germany!!!
Location: native California gal, now expat in Germany
Posts: 1,990
Re: Attention: ALL Current FJC Owners !!!
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homedad previously said:
You'll get deported.....there will be no bulges or crack in Germany!!!
Well, the good news is, I can probably still sell it over there for a ton even with ze bulges und ze krack, and since I doubt many there are checking this site, they will never even know. Then I come back and buy a brand new one.
You might need to scan through more of this thread. Many of the failures (probably most, IMO) were on street driven vehicles. While off-road use and certain mods may exacerbate the problem, it does not seem to be the cause. Speculation presented so far points to two possible problems affecting the same area - weak / defect inner aprons cracking, and inner aprons bulging due to impact from the tire / extended wheel travel due to lack of bump stop control. Either problem can grow quickly once it showa, especially if off-roading hard, but I still don't feel the evidence points to off-roading as a cause. The Toyota reps all seem to agree on that point - I don't know off an situation where off-road use caused Toyota to decline repairing the vehicle. Of coourse, the reps are not making any official statement about the cause, for liabilty reasons, or maybe because they still do not know the cause for sure.
Thanks for the info Larry, I wasn't trying to say that off-road use was the main or only cause. Just that it might amplify the situation. As far as repair, it wouldn't make much sense for Toyota to jump in and say that their off-road unit won't be covered if used in that situation.
You had stated in an earlier post that you have experienced as big of a problem as any other examples that you have seem so far. Did you post pics of your fenders?
Best of luck passing the word. I'll try to keep everyone I meet on watch.
when I brought mine in to have the fender wells replaced, they replaced them with ones that looked look the 08s.
However, because the problem seems to show up around 20000 miles, we are still a bit early to see if they 08s have the problem.
Toyota will replace the bad ones, they are trying not to have a recall.
If they replace all that show up, it will save them millions over a recall of 60,000 units sold.
when I brought mine in to have the fender wells replaced, they replaced them with ones that looked look the 08s.
However, because the problem seems to show up around 20000 miles, we are still a bit early to see if they 08s have the problem.
Toyota will replace the bad ones, they are trying not to have a recall.
If they replace all that show up, it will save them millions over a recall of 60,000 units sold.
While I agree that we may need more time to determine the extent of the problem in '08s, I have to point out that there are many instances of the issue showing up in vehicles with FAR less than 20000 miles. Mine had only a few k before I noticed the rips, and they might have been there for much longer than even that suggests.
After having read ALL of the various threads on this issue - and I know there are a LOT of posts! - one gets the sense that it is NOT mileage dependent, NOT mod dependent, and NOT driving style dependent.
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sucks that others have this problem.My model is a 07.I see that a reinforcment metal plate is behind the fender just like my friends 08 model.Do earlier modesl have this????? Are they bulging because of extreme offroad?
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While I agree that we may need more time to determine the extent of the problem in '08s, I have to point out that there are many instances of the issue showing up in vehicles with FAR less than 20000 miles. Mine had only a few k before I noticed the rips, and they might have been there for much longer than even that suggests.
After having read ALL of the various threads on this issue - and I know there are a LOT of posts! - one gets the sense that it is NOT mileage dependent, NOT mod dependent, and NOT driving style dependent.
One of my first mods was a winch bumper, I notice the guys with winch bumpers seem to have less problems than stock, In fact it seems those that wheel these vehicles and beef them up are not the ones in the majority of those with cracks, it is stock vehicles that are ridden as DDs. So the grocery Getters are getting more cracks than the trail units with reinforcement armor all over them stiffening the frames.
I think that is significant, that the frame is flexing to much for the location of the body mounts, I went over a FJC and A TJ with a body shop owner after mine was burnt down, he showed me the location of the stock mounts on both and showed me why the FJCs are ripping the fenders, he states it is a bad overall design of mount location. And that the only cure is a redesign of the frame, I noticed the TJ, that I wheel weekly has no mount in that area, nor does it have any body rips.
Toyota knows it has a problem, but Toyota is not the company they were 20 years ago, it seems profits drive them now as they see being number 1 real soon, they choose instead to bully the problem away. A recall is a pipe dream at best.
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