I know there are a lot of you out there who are just like me...
I love my rig, even with the gas prices as they are- I still have to drive, so I try to spin the wheels a lot less, and maybe a little less pleasure cruising, but ultimately, I love this truck to the point of near-obsession, and higher fuel prices is not going to get me to give it up...
However, IF Toyota is paying attention to these kinds of discussion groups, etc. please pay attention now...
I would trade my FJ in TOMORROW, IF they released one with a diesel powerplant, and I have a feeling most others would agree!
Thanks, just my .02
TOYOTA PLEASE DO SOMETHING !
Look at Mercedes, Jeep and Auid (this year), all have diesel suv's
I'm in europe right now and all I see are Toyota trucks and suv's with diesles D2D 2.5L, 5L diesel in Land Cruiser, and many in between
Bigger torque, and better mpg, is there anything better for an suv?
every single one of our work trucks is a diesel. either duramax or cummins. lets just say that they recently replaced the exhaust on all of the trucks because it is giving us the edge of 2-4 mpg more depending on the driver. i had to wait to leave today because my boss wanted me in the duramax i always drive. i had to do a few miles and would gladly have taken an older cummins that was in the lot, but times are that tough for diesels.
3/4 and 1 ton trucks can get great mileage (for their size, weight, and ability to get work done such as pull/haul heavy loads) when a simple chip, intake, and exhaust mods are done. A friend just bought a new Dodge Ram with Cummins, went out and added a chip right away, and gets over 20 on the highway.
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BamBam previously said:
Biodiesel= bad idea for a solution to our gas woes. Food prices are bad now because of increased fuel prices. What happens to food prices when food crops are being turned into fuel because farmers can make a larger profit on corn and other products that they sell to biodiesel makers? Hey... I'm just sayin'.
Biodiesel is a much more efficient fuel to produce than ethanol, one gallon of gas yields almost 2 gallons of biodiesel which burns more efficiently than gasoline whereas one gallon of gas produces from 1 to 1.5 gallons of ethanol which burns less efficiently than gasoline.
Let me rework your farmer theory, it's like this:
1) Grain prices are market driven and, yes, this does affect food prices.
2) The grain prices only affect the food prices a very small amount as you can make a huge amount of cereal or whatever with 1 bushel of corn.
3) Food companies have taken this opportunity to increase prices to cover their additional fuel cost for production and delivery of their products (as well as build-in a little extra profit if possible).
4) Corn is not sold to biodiesel producers. Corn is sold to ethanol producers and soybeans are sold to biodiesel producers. Both of the processes result in dry materials such as "distilleries" which can be mixed into the feed and fed to livestock so fuel is not the only output.
5) Last, for many, many years small farmers have lived lives just on the edge of poverty (keep in mind that the bulk of food in this nation, also known as bread basket of the world, comes from the back-breaking work of the small farmer rather than the large, corporate farms). Farmers should have more reason to work hard everyday and feed the world than to simply get by. The crop prices now are really about where they should be.
6) Again, keep in mind that the farmers don't control the prices, crop prices are market based just as the oil market is.
7) Investors are also to blame for oil and grain prices by pushing the futures markets.
8) How do I know this stuff . . . .I've lived on a small farm for 37 years.
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BamBam previously said:
You can use old fry oil as fuel. There is an episode of Mythbusters where they talk about it and try it out. It works pretty well. The problem is that there is a limited supply of used french fry oil, and like all other things... once somebody finds out they can charge big bucks for it, then it won't be such a great deal. It might be cheaper than regular diesel, but it isn't like there is enough oil sitting behind McDonald's restaurants to solve the gas crisis.
Newer diesels with high pressure injectors cannot use pure fry oil. In the new diesels, it can only be used in small mixes like B5 or B10. The older mechaniical/low pressure injectors can handle it. There are already many companies that reclaim fry oil.
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MuddyGrrl previously said:
As far as a diesel truck engine, the first diesel we'll see will be a big Land Cruiser or Tundra-class V8. My best guess it it's still at least two years before we see that.
Then it'd be additional years before we make a smaller class or V6 diesel that would fit in the FJ Cruiser / Prado / 4Runner platform.
Yes, at the Detroit Auto Show, Toyota announced a V8 diesel for the Tundra and Sequoia to be released in "the near future".
If the price for a new diesel FJ was the same as a gas FJ, I think that the power would be a problem for me. My brother has a TD Suburban which does weight 1000lbs more than the FJ, but it does have 25hp and 130 ftlbs on that Prado engine and the Suburban is slooooooow. The 6.5L V8 does get the same fuel mileage as my FJ though.
If a diesel FJ had enough power and could accelerate as fast as a gas FJ, would the fuel mileage still be better? Thats what I would be looking for.
Is it really necessary to accelerate as fast as possible several times a day ? I haven't done it once yet in six months of ownership. The 6.5 liter diesel is an antique. It was a gas engine converted to be a diesel. A modern 170 hp diesel will probably perform similarly to a 240 hp gasser due to higher torque but while being nearly 50% more efficient.
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Is is really necessary to accelerate to full speed several times a day ? I haven't done it once yet in six months of ownership. The 6.5 liter diesel is an antique. It was a gas engine converted to be a diesel. A modern 170 hp diesel will probably perform similarly to a 240 hp gasser due to higher torque but while being nearly 50% more efficient.
Just cause you dont accelerate like that doesnt mean I dont.
The only diesel to gas I have to compare is the same generation suburbans, which the gas one was much faster even with lower torque. I would love to drive a newer one to see what the difference is. Just seems like most people probably have never driven a newer diesel.
I looked quick and it is hard to find the acceleration times of the Prado. It looks like 0-60mph is 10+ second. Same as the 70hp civic I used to have. All I am saying is that diesel gets good mileage, it might be great to drive but I dont know. I would just like performance equal to gas.
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The older diesels were much slower at gaining RPM than the new generation. Hopped-up production engines are being used for road racing, drag racing, truck pulling, and even top speed racing at Salt Lake.
However, if you insist on driving like that, you will probably get crap mileage rergardless what you are driving . . . even a Prius gets far less than it is capable of when driven aggresively.
If you want to see what diesel is capable of performance-wise, pick up a copy of Diesel Power magazine.
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If everyone went to BioDiesel we couldn't afford corn, beef, wheat or most other foods. Where's the win?
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I see someone else has posted basically what I said and been shutdown. I disagree with the farmer. If producers of biofuels buy corn or soy doesn't matter, if a farmer can make more on any given crop most will start to switch to that crop. Supplies of other crops will drop sending the costs of them up. The farmers will still get screwed because the manufacturers and middlemen will still get the lionshare of the profits.
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Maineyak89 previously said:
More automotive companies and developers need to focus on trying to make efficent running diesel engines that run on B100 (100%) pure biodiesel, corn, hemp, veggie, w/e make it work and readily available so that the people are able to use it. My dad has the FlexFuel Suburban and the nearest gas station that sells E85 is close to two hours away, each way. Car companies should be trying to make diesel engines to drop into pre existing car models so that the switch is easy and relativly cheap. I believe that biodiesel has the most potential to replace gasoline for transportation uses.
If everyone went to BioDiesel we couldn't afford corn, beef, wheat or most other foods. Where's the win?
Correct. IMO, although biodiesel is more efficient than ethanol, using any food for fuel is stupid. And what is even worse, is subsidizing the production of ethanol with tax dollars. The government pays ethanol producers over $.50 per gallon of ethanol they produce. That is why they are so eager to build plants everywhere. Even Bill Gates is heavily invested in Pacific Ethanol.
This has to stop. This is money that should be going towards rebuilding and updating our aging and faltering infrastructure. Gotta admit, you can thank ol' Bushy for this one.
We should be working out trade deals with the countries we sell food to.
Our desperately needed food for their desperately wanted oil.
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I would love to see more electric vehicles, maybe not an fj but could be?? we have some good ways to generate electric power .. nuclear, wind, hydro, solar. I recently watched a special on TV showing an offroad race using only solar powered vehicles. Most couldn't complete the course but it will come. We need to spend some R&D dollars to research safer more cost effective ways of saving and efficiently using that electricity.
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