I'd buy another one if it was DIESEL

**FJoel** · 05-23-2008, 03:38 PM

I would. You guys would get another sale as fast as I could get to my dealer if you put a diesel in an FJ. Turbo diesel would be really nice.

Like the old Hilux Surf. A Turbo blowing right into the intake manifold.

I'd also like to say, that you made the Tacoma too big. Offer a smaller truck like my 89 Toyota "Pickup" that I still have and love, with the same diesel you put in the FJ, and Mel and I would buy it along with the diesel FJ.

We don't need anything so big in the pickup department, and you now have no options for smaller trucks. My buddy was thinking of getting a new pickup, and when we compared the size and price of the Ford Ranger to the Tacoma for a daily driver, weekend dirt bike hauler, and light camping/wheeling rig, the Tacoma loses. Sucks, because I would never drive a Ford but in this case, my buddy made some very good points I can't ignore.

**DominicG** · 05-23-2008, 03:42 PM

You can have my FJ back... just give me a SEMA green soft top FJ with a TD!

buckeye FJ · 05-23-2008, 04:06 PM

No diesel for me. Gas is 4.00 for 87 octane, diesel is 4.80 gal. Not to cheap to run as they used to be.

**Woodsman** · 05-23-2008, 05:49 PM

Quote:

buckeye FJ previously said:

No diesel for me. Gas is 4.00 for 87 octane, diesel is 4.80 gal. Not to cheap to run as they used to be.

When diesels can achieve a 50% increase in efficiency, there is still plenty of savings to be had even at the higher diesel prices.

I'll second the opinion on the smaller pickups.

**Woodsman** · 05-23-2008, 05:50 PM

I'm going to a dinner party in a couple of weeks with the CEO of Cummins. If I get a chance I plan to get the low down on what they've got in the pipeline.

**FJoel** · 05-23-2008, 06:18 PM

Like Woodsman said, Diesel is a higher efficiency fuel. It is worth more in miles/km's and will provide savings at the end of the day.

Also, for wheeling, a Diesel will outcrawl any identical vehicle with a gas engine. If you do the research, diesel is the way to go.

**Woodsman** · 05-23-2008, 06:44 PM

Scroll down to page 13 to see how the new 4.2 and 5.6 liter Cummins engines (which were in development with the Dept of Energy when this was written) compare with the 4.7 and 5.7 liter gas engines. Almost 50% increase in the combined driving averages.

http://www1.eere.energy.gov/vehicles...eer_stang2.pdf

Notice that these tests are dated 2004 which helps you understand how slowly things progress from development and testing to actual production . . . which helps explain why we aren't already driving diesel FJs.

One or both of these diesels is slated to be released in the Dodge Ram 1/2 tons in 2009 as a 2010 model. Ford and Chevy also have small diesel in development for their 1/2 ton trucks to be released about the same time.

**Woodsman** · 05-23-2008, 06:57 PM

Here's the energy output for various fuels. Diesel 129,000BTU, Gasoline 116,000BTU, 76,000BTU

My source: http://www.eere.energy.gov/afdc/pdfs/fueltable.pdf

**Largos** · 05-23-2008, 06:59 PM

I would trade my FJ in on a diesel version in a heartbeat. My first car was a VW Golf TDI. I love me my diesels...

Bill

**FJoel** · 05-23-2008, 07:20 PM

I hope Toyota is listening!

When can I place my order?