Concealed Handgun Mount

[volhoo]

Nice and neat Mike.

Looks OEM!

[etch111]

1911 previously said:

You are happy where you are, I am happy where I am = win-win, a good deal for everyone all around.



From the site you linked: "The statistics cannot take into account the differences that exist between the legal definitions of offences in various countries, of the different methods of tallying, etc. Consequently, the figures used in these statistics must be interpreted with great caution. In particular, to use the figures as a basis for comparison between different countries is highly problematic."

Also, the stats appear to be no later than 1998-2000. Violent crime in the UK as a whole (particularly England) has skyrocketed since the all-inclusive gun ban there in 1997:

Weapons sell for just £50 as suspects and victims grow ever younger - Times Online

"Despite a ban on handguns introduced in 1997 after 16 children and their teacher were shot dead in the Dunblane massacre the previous year, their use in crimes has almost doubled to reach 4,671 in 2005-06. Official figures show that although Britain has some of the toughest anti-gun laws in the world, firearm use in crime has risen steadily."

Ministers 'covered up' gun crime - Times Online

"THE government was accused yesterday of covering up the full extent of the gun crime epidemic sweeping Britain, after official figures showed that gun-related killings and injuries had risen more than fourfold since 1998.

The Home Office figures - which exclude crimes involving air weapons - show the number of deaths and injuries caused by gun attacks in England and Wales soared from 864 in 1998-99 to 3,821 in 2005-06. That means that more than 10 people are injured or killed in a gun attack every day."

Note these sources are British newspapers, not right-wing gun blogs in this country.

You make a good point....And i strongly believe in choice , yours as well as myown.
unfortunatly no one can dispute The US is the most violent nation among modern high tech and industrialized nations.... unless you count mexico and russia as an equal in any manner.

[edit] International comparison


“ "Due to the difficulties of comparing national crime trends between countries some of the data included in this report may be adjusted or estimated. This is because of differences in measuring crimes and definitions of crime type. The report does however state clearly which pieces of data have been adjusted and why."-David P. Farrington, Patrick A. Langan, Michael Tonry (Bureau of Justice Statistics), 2004[29]
”

Despite the overall crime rate of the United States being seemingly in line with that of other industrialized countries, its homicide rate, which has declined substantially since 1991, is still among the highest in the industrialized world. Comparing just homicide rates by themselves, however, may not be representative of the overall crime rate of a country. Only the homicide rate of Northern Ireland in the early 1990s compares to that of the United States today. In 2004, there were 5.5 homicides for every 100,000 persons, compared to 1.9 in Canada and 1.0 in Germany.[30] This means that the homicide rate in the United States was nearly three times as high as in Canada and slightly more then five times as high as in Germany.[7][31] Most industrialized countries had homicide rates below the 2.5 mark. Overall the homicide rate in the United States was similar to that of some lesser developed Eastern European countries.[32][33][34]



Overall the national crime rate was 3982 crimes per 100,000 residents, down 17.6% from 4852 crimes per 100,000 residents thirty years earlier in 1974.[5][6] The severity of crime in international comparison depends on the nature of the crimes considered in such comparison. For example, while the homicide and violent crime rates of the United States were much higher than those of Canada, property crime rates in the US were considerably lower. The overall crime rate in the United States is similar to that of other highly developed countries such as Canada.[7][8] Additionally there tend to be great regional differences within the US with New England having a violent crime and homicide rate comparable to that of most other developed nations, while southern states were among the most violent.


This is an unfortunateand complex situation we find ourselves in a free society...it is just not possible to tell the legal responsible gun owner from the violent criminal in a capitalist system.... the freedom to buy legal or illegal comes first here... good or bad we live with it..... but with all respect you would still be much safer in Ireland.

[tigardfitfuji]

Why is it whenever I go to a thread about anything to do with firearms it always seems to turn into a discussion about the 2nd amendment?

If you do not agree with the right of the people to keep and bear arms, what would possess you to even look at this thread. I wanted to view a concealed handgun mount thread. I did not want to wade through a bunch of cra# about why you do not need a gun in your FJ.

I am not trying to pick on any one person but please, give it a rest and let those of use who want some info on these topics use this forum.

I am sure there are other threads you could make some very positive contributions to.

Oh yeah, nice set up. I purchased a left hand draw and am going to attach it by my right knee under the dash. I will post pic after I do it.

[BellyDoc]

I like this solution. I've also had thoughts about a vehicle holster, but I want a few things that you probably don't, since I'm not law enforcement.

I carry less than religiously but often enough to maintain the comfort with being armed that allows me to focus on other things besides whether or not my weapon is printing.

My considerations include:

1) I can't enter all establishements carrying, so I have to occassionally leave the weapon in the vehicle. Although the vehicle is locked, I don't feel as though I've done my duty unless the weapon is ALSO locked.

2) I believe that one of the most vulnerable moments in my day is when I'm entering my vehicle in the parking lot, late at night.

3) I believe that it is conceivable that an assault scenario could include an armed entry into my vehicle while it is stopped in city traffic (car jacking). Although an assailant could NOT enter the FJ from the rear doors, thanks to the suicide door setup, entry into the passenger seat or rushing the driver's side door with a weapon are both likely enough to warrant anticipatory preparation.

My idea of a best mounting position for a fixed holster is under the steering column.

Ideally, I'd like to build a mechanism that interlocks with the door lock system. I want it to drop a pin through the trigger guard when the door is locked, *unless* the engine is running. I want it to retract the pin when the door unlocks, either by key or by keyless remote.

I would use a kydex holster much like you did, although the SERPA style release may be more than I need.

I'd also wrap it in a band of steel which would through bolt into a metal bracket around the steering column. The locking pin would drop all the way through into the steel band.

I envision being able to reach it from standing beside the open driver's door, if accosted from behind while entering the vehicle. I would easily be able to access it from sitting in the driver's seat, too.

I think it's a marketable mod... have any thoughts?

[chiefbigred]

Here in Texas a bill was passed to make it legal to carry without a carry permit. So I like to carry my Ruger SP101 Shorty .357.

Usually I just stuff it in between the seat and console with an Uncle Mike holster.

When I need to stash it inside the vehicle, I lift the back seat bottom and it sets nicely where the seatbelt clasps hide.

By the way, just to fuel the debate, I was a long time gun shy person, until about 2 years ago, someone taught me to handle one properly and understand what it means to have the right to own. Plus I really enjoy shooting.

Now if I could find somewhere to drive my FJ and go shoot cans....

[chopperpilot]

TiFJ previously said:

I just don't think it's necessary. I can't think of one instance in my life where I've been afraid to the point where I thought I'd be better off with a gun on my waist. If I thought I needed a gun to feel safe outside of my home that would be a signal to me to move somewhere else. Maybe I'm lucky or naive.

I do keep my firearm "handy" at home, of course it's in accordance to the law though.

Fear isn't the driving force behind a well trained individuals decision to carry a gun in public places. The knowledge that you could intervine in a very bad situation and do all that you can to protect those around you is a very strong driving force, one that is hard to turn your back on.

[Shadow-Warrior]

tigardfitfuji previously said:

Oh yeah, nice set up. I purchased a left hand draw and am going to attach it by my right knee under the dash. I will post pic after I do it.

Thanks. Yeh, I would like to see what you do.

BellyDoc previously said:

I like this solution. I've also had thoughts about a vehicle holster, but I want a few things that you probably don't, since I'm not law enforcement.

I carry less than religiously but often enough to maintain the comfort with being armed that allows me to focus on other things besides whether or not my weapon is printing.

My considerations include:

1) I can't enter all establishements carrying, so I have to occassionally leave the weapon in the vehicle. Although the vehicle is locked, I don't feel as though I've done my duty unless the weapon is ALSO locked.

2) I believe that one of the most vulnerable moments in my day is when I'm entering my vehicle in the parking lot, late at night.

3) I believe that it is conceivable that an assault scenario could include an armed entry into my vehicle while it is stopped in city traffic (car jacking). Although an assailant could NOT enter the FJ from the rear doors, thanks to the suicide door setup, entry into the passenger seat or rushing the driver's side door with a weapon are both likely enough to warrant anticipatory preparation.

My idea of a best mounting position for a fixed holster is under the steering column.

Ideally, I'd like to build a mechanism that interlocks with the door lock system. I want it to drop a pin through the trigger guard when the door is locked, *unless* the engine is running. I want it to retract the pin when the door unlocks, either by key or by keyless remote.

I would use a kydex holster much like you did, although the SERPA style release may be more than I need.

I'd also wrap it in a band of steel which would through bolt into a metal bracket around the steering column. The locking pin would drop all the way through into the steel band.

I envision being able to reach it from standing beside the open driver's door, if accosted from behind while entering the vehicle. I would easily be able to access it from sitting in the driver's seat, too.

I think it's a marketable mod... have any thoughts?

Jon, I too have some of the same problems that you have. I think your on to something there. Knowing you, you will be hard at it, designing and making a working prototype so that it works properly. I would be interested in one myself if you go ahead and develop a locking system such as the one your talking about. Keep me informed on how it comes along, PM me anytime. Thanks for your great insight as always Jon.

[clint5224]

cool

[tukes mountain man]

Thanks for the post, great idea and location. I may copy your set up....

[1911]

etch111 previously said:

This is an unfortunateand complex situation we find ourselves in a free society...it is just not possible to tell the legal responsible gun owner from the violent criminal in a capitalist system.... the freedom to buy legal or illegal comes first here... good or bad we live with it..... but with all respect you would still be much safer in Ireland.

Etch, I'll grant you your statistics (that they're all correct and etc.) and that you can make a good argument with them, but here's the main difference between you and me (I think) - I'm not willing to risk my life or my family's lives on statistics, especially not in a situation that I can have some control of myself. Dead or injured, there would be no consolation in the fact that you were part of a very small statistic.

We all face risk every day. Some risks you have little control over, like a tornado or a mud slide or cancer for example. Some risks you can partially mitigate by being proactive, like defensive driving or exercising to stay healthy. Such is carrying a concealed weapon; you pray you never have to use it but if faced with the threat of violent crime you have more options with one than without.

So yes, I lived in Northern Ireland for several years and came away unharmed, in spite of a few brushes with paramilitary groups. But I wouldn't move back now no matter how good the statistics look, because that government would deny me the right to protect myself from armed criminals. Same with CA, NY, IL, or anywhere else that does the same. It's not about statistics, it's about some politician that can't protect me telling me that I have no right to do it either.