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Old 01-15-2009, 08:38 PM   #21
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1 billion dollars? Wasn't the selling point of the bill that no additional money will need to be spent to put this into effect?
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1 billion dollars? Wasn't the selling point of the bill that no additional money will need to be spent to put this into effect?
There's no such thing as a free bill.
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Re: Omnibus Land Act of 2009

My feelings are good legislation that has the nations best interests at heart doesn't need enough pork to bankrupt a third world country in order to pass.

This is washington at it's worst on so many counts
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Re: Omnibus Land Act of 2009

I'm so pissed off about this I could...

My calls went as follows:

S22 must not pass. You people now represent the worst example of capitulation to special interest over the will of normal Americans. This bill is an unconscionable land grab forced upon us as payback to your enviro-whacko puppetmasters. It will close millions of acres to recreation and destroy countless small businesses; making the land safe only for gnats, rats, and democrats. Stop this travesty now!

You can see how much good it did.

I gave FineSwine a ration for not having anyone answering phones on Sunday as they took their stealth vote.



We are no longer represented.

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Oh you don't have to tell me tha!

]ill promotors were selling the bill as one that will need no additional funding to put into effect. Just yet another lie.
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Re: Omnibus Land Act of 2009

OK, to my surprise, I just learned this Obamanation of a bill is running backwards. Usually they go from house to senate, this one has passed the senate and is going to be voted on in the house this week or next. IT'S TIME TO JAM THE PHONE LINES AND TELL THEM NOT NO BUT HELL NO!

Tell them if they must vote on these hideous capitulations to their enviro-whacko puppetmasters, at least vote on them seperately! Some may actually have some merits (not likely) but don't shove this crap sandwich down our throats!

Oh yeah, I have a toll free number for these ba$tards...877-851-6437

Also, call your rep first, then call any congressman you can get the name of, especially the supporters!
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Re: Omnibus Land Act of 2009

Yesterday I went out in the FJ to explore some of the woods near Bend. Every single trail is closed to motorized vehicles except snowmobiles.
I don't know if it's just because it's winter but whatever the reason, I had to stay on pavement all day.

Please make a few calls today to voice your opinion. Unless you LIKE the mall parking lot.

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Re: Omnibus Land Act of 2009

TUESDAY, FEBRUARY 24, 2009

Your Government at Work
Ominous forfeiture provisions in new bill restrict use of federal land

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This souvenir could land you in hot water under the provisions of pending legislation. (DanielCD)

WASHINGTON – A land management bill that swept through the U.S. Senate last month and is headed for a House vote this week punishes rock collectors and paleontologists with arrest and expropriation of their cars and other equipment for even unknowingly disturbing fossils on public land, say critics.

In the Omnibus Public Land Management Act of 2009, a "forfeiture" provision would let the government confiscate "all vehicles and equipment of any person" who digs up or removes a rock or a bone from federal land that meets the bill's broad definition of "paleontological resource," says a report by Jon Berlau of the Competitive Enterprise Institute.

"The seizures could take place even before a person and even if the person didn't know they were taking or digging up a 'paleontological resource," writes Berlau. "And the bill specifically allows the 'transfer of seized resources' to 'federal or non-federal' institutions, giving the government and some private actors great incentive to egg on the takings."

Tracie Bennitt, president of the Association of Applied Paleontological Sciences, is protesting the bill's vague language and severe penalties.

"We can visualize now a group of students unknowingly crossing over an invisible line and ending up handcuffed and prosecuted," she wrote to members of Congress.

Subtitle D of the bill called the "Paleontological Resources Preservation Act" would make it illegal to "excavate, remove, damage, or otherwise alter or deface or attempt to excavate, remove, damage, or otherwise alter or deface any paleontological resources located on Federal land" without special permission from the government.

"Paleontological resource" is defined in the bill as "any fossilized remains, traces, or imprints of organisms, preserved in or on the earth's crust, that are of paleontological interest and that provide information about the history of life on earth." Penalties for violations include up to five years in jail.

Berlau believes picking up rocks could be interpreted as a violation of the law since most would fit the broad definition under the law.

The forfeiture provision is effective before a trial and conviction, making the defendant guilty until proven innocent, Berlau suggests.

Berlau believes the House will take up a vote on the bill this week. He is urging Americans to contact representatives before the bill, known both as S. 22 and the "Omnibus Public Land Management Act of 2009" is approved, as expected, and heads to the White House for President Obama's signature.

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Thanks for the update. I'm becoming more and more illegal day by day.
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