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Old 01-11-2009, 03:59 PM   #1 (permalink)
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We just got screwed today when no one was looking. From Yahoo News:

Senate boosts wilderness protection across US - Yahoo! News

WASHINGTON – In a rare Sunday session, the Senate advanced legislation that would set aside more than 2 million acres in nine states as wilderness. Majority Democrats assembled more than enough votes to overcome GOP stalling tactics in an early showdown for the new Congress.

Republicans complained that Democrats did not allow amendments on the massive bill, which calls for the largest expansion of wilderness protection in 25 years. But Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., and other Democrats said the bill — a holdover from last year — was carefully written and included measures sponsored by both Republicans and Democrats.

By a 66-12 vote, with only 59 needed to limit debate, lawmakers agreed to clear away procedural hurdles despite partisan wrangling that had threatened pledges by leaders to work cooperatively as the new Obama administration takes office. Senate approval is expected later this week. Supporters hope the House will follow suit.

"Today is a great day for America's public lands," said the bill's sponsor, Sen. Jeff Bingaman, D-N.M. "This big, bipartisan package of bills represents years of work by senators from many states, and both parties, in cooperation with local communities, to enhance places that make America so special."

The measure — actually a collection of about 160 bills — would confer the government's highest level of protection on land ranging from California's Sierra Nevada mountain range to Oregon's Mount Hood, Rocky Mountain National Park in Colorado and parts of the Jefferson National Forest in Virginia. Land in Idaho's Owyhee canyons, Pictured Rocks National Lakeshore in Michigan and Zion National Park in Utah also would be designated as wilderness.

Besides new wilderness designations, the bill would designate the childhood home of former President Bill Clinton in Hope, Ark., as a national historic site and expand protections for dozens of national parks, rivers and water resources.

Reid said about half the bills in the lands package were sponsored by Republicans. Most had been considered for more than a year.

"I am happy that after months of delay we will finally be moving forward," Reid said.

The bill's chief opponent, Sen. Tom Coburn, R-Okla., denounced what he called Democratic bullying tactics.

"I am disappointed the Senate majority leader has refused to allow senators the opportunity to improve, amend or eliminate any of the questionable provisions in his omnibus lands bill," Coburn told fellow senators.

"When the American people asked Congress to set a new tone, I don't believe refusing to listen to the concerns of others was what they had in mind," Coburn said. "The American people expect us hold open, civil and thorough debates on costly legislation, not ram through 1,300-page bills when few are watching."

Coburn and several other Republicans complained that bill was loaded with pet projects and prevented development of oil and gas on federal lands, which they said would deepen the nation's dependence on foreign oil.

Environmental groups said the bill set the right tone for the new Congress.

"By voting to protect mountains and pristine wildlands, Congress is starting out on the right foot," said Christy Goldfuss of Environment America, an advocacy group. "This Congress is serious about protecting the environment and the outstanding lands that Americans treasure."
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Old 01-11-2009, 04:08 PM   #2 (permalink)
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wow.

can't wait to take the kids to the clinton trailer home national park.
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How did we get screwed?

Preserving lands is an intrigual part to our heritage. These lands that are being set aside are probably already roadless, and thus these new desigations just eliminate natural resource destruction (through mining, logging, etc.), which inturn keeps these areas pristine for our children.

Does it eliminate any offroading in our cultures? Probably not!

Wilderness is generally defined as a natural environment on Earth that has not been significantly modified by human activity. Wilderness areas and protected parks are considered important for the survival of certain species, ecological studies, conservation, solitude, and recreation. Wilderness is deeply valued for cultural, spiritual, moral, and aesthetic reasons. Some nature writers believe wilderness areas are vital for the human spirit and creativity.

I can't say how offended I am by people who think that creating more wilderness is a bad thing and impinging on their lives. If you have ever been to a wilderness area in California you will know that it is not pristine....it's gagged out by smog from the cities!


Thanks for sharing the new passing of the bill.
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Re: New Bill to take 2 Million acres passed when no one was looking.

both sides of the coin. I agree that designating more land as protected wilderness is a good thing, look at moab, that place is getting sold piece by piece to developers, the issue I see is that if they over regulate these lands or ban vehicle traffic then it does hurt us. WTF good is nature if ya cant even play in it.
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How did we get screwed?

Preserving lands is an intrigual part to our heritage. These lands that are being set aside are probably already roadless, and thus these new desigations just eliminate natural resource destruction (through mining, logging, etc.), which inturn keeps these areas pristine for our children.

Does it eliminate any offroading in our cultures? Probably not!

Wilderness is generally defined as a natural environment on Earth that has not been significantly modified by human activity. Wilderness areas and protected parks are considered important for the survival of certain species, ecological studies, conservation, solitude, and recreation. Wilderness is deeply valued for cultural, spiritual, moral, and aesthetic reasons. Some nature writers believe wilderness areas are vital for the human spirit and creativity.

I can't say how offended I am by people who think that creating more wilderness is a bad thing and impinging on their lives. If you have ever been to a wilderness area in California you will know that it is not pristine....it's gagged out by smog from the cities!


Thanks for sharing the new passing of the bill.

You have a gross misunderstanding of what a so-called "wilderness" bill can do potentially.

I agree that your definition is supposed to be what governs land grabs such as this....but under Clinton, (right before he left office) he designated a bunch of land here in AZ (and across the nation) as "wilderness" that had legal routes and rights of way covering the massive expanses of land he sought to "protect". Eventually, much of this crap was overturned but not without massive expense to the taxpayers paying for needless biological impact surveys and legal battles over areas that were already protected under the 1976 rights of way act.

I have no idea what this bill contains, as it was slipped through on a Sunday to avoid debate.....does that not concern you?

It's sorta like the 86 gun ban or the Federal Reserve Act of 1913 (and Banking Act of 33)that both went through in hush hush Congressional sessions so the American people wouldn't find out their rights were being trampled.


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Hey Shadow...what do you mean when no one was looking...
This went out on the Blue Ribbon Coalition email alert days ago...Expedition Portal had a thread on it...
This thread was posted in Nov and updated the 10th of Jan
http://www.fjcruiserforums.com/forum...ct-2008-a.html

So not sure where you get the "when no one was looking"...
It has been more like "when no one cared to get involved"...
This is why everyone should be a part of trail cleanups, emails, letters, stopping by and talking to local ranger stations and called the area headquarters after a run and telling them how important land access is to you.

If more people don't become part of the solution then loss of access is the future.

Personally I love wild places, I love areas with no roads...but where we already have roads & tracks I would like to keep access avalible.

So thanks for this alert to everyone that we need to stay on top of things...but at the same time folks need to accept responsiblity for the current apathy in the off-highway comminity and DO SOMETHING besides whine about this stuff after the fact.
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