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Old 01-17-2009, 08:40 AM   #301 (permalink)
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Re: FJ Cruiser Auxiliary Fuel Tank --> INSTALLED

Assume most people with the tank also did the scuba breather mod. Don't think that the scuba mod is involved?
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Old 01-17-2009, 09:20 AM   #302 (permalink)
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Re: FJ Cruiser Auxiliary Fuel Tank --> INSTALLED

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Assume most people with the tank also did the scuba breather mod. Don't think that the scuba mod is involved?
All the codes that came up with the lights were for emissions stuff. The scuba mod, IMO, would have nothing to do with that. I could be mistaken.

Supposedly MAF had an FJ in their shop Thursday - sure wish someone would have posted on what they did and found.

I know it will take at least a couple of days to see if the lights issue has been corrected but some news would be appreciated.

MAF?????
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Old 01-17-2009, 10:33 AM   #303 (permalink)
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Re: FJ Cruiser Auxiliary Fuel Tank --> INSTALLED

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Assume most people with the tank also did the scuba breather mod. Don't think that the scuba mod is involved?
No breather mods involved here.
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Re: FJ Cruiser Auxiliary Fuel Tank --> INSTALLED

DTC Detection Conditions:

P043E, P043F, P2401, P2402 and P2419 present when one of following conditions met during key-off EVAP monitor:

* Reference orifice clogged
* Reference orifice high-flow
* Leak detection pump OFF malfunction
* Leak detection pump ON malfunction
* Vent valve ON (close) malfunction

Trouble Areas:

# Canister pump module (Reference orifice, leak detection pump, vent valve)
# Connector/wire harness (Canister pump module - ECM)
# EVAP system hose (pipe from air inlet port to canister pump module, canister filter, fuel tank vent hose)
# ECM

Detection Timing:
While ignition switch OFF

Detection Logic
2 trip

The reference orifice is located inside the canister pump module.
DESCRIPTION

The description can be found in the EVAP (Evaporative Emission) System 1GR-FE ENGINE CONTROL SYSTEM: SFI SYSTEM: EVAP System (2009 FJ Cruiser)+ .
INSPECTION PROCEDURE

Refer to the EVAP System 1GR-FE ENGINE CONTROL SYSTEM: SFI SYSTEM: EVAP System (2009 FJ Cruiser)+ .
MONITOR DESCRIPTION

5 hours* after the ignition switch is turned OFF, the leak detection pump creates negative pressure (vacuum) in the EVAP system. The ECM monitors for leaks and actuator malfunctions based on the EVAP pressure.

*: If the engine coolant temperature is not below 35°C (95°F) 5 hours after the ignition switch is turned OFF, the monitor check starts 2 hours later. If it is still not below 35°C (95°F) 7 hours after the ignition switch is turned OFF, the monitor check starts 2.5 hours later.

Sequence / Operation / Description Duration

- ECM activation Activated by soak timer 5, 7 or 9.5 hours after ignition switch turned OFF. -

A Atmospheric pressure measurement Vent valve turned OFF (vent) and EVAP system pressure measured by ECM in order to register atmospheric pressure. If pressure in EVAP system not between 70 kPa-a and 110 kPa-a (525 mmHg-a and 825 mmHg-a), ECM cancels EVAP system monitor. 10 seconds

B


First reference pressure measurement


In order to determine reference pressure, leak detection pump creates negative pressure (vacuum) through reference orifice and then ECM checks if leak detection pump and vent valve operate normally.


60 seconds

C


EVAP system pressure measurement


Vent valve turned ON (closed) to shut EVAP system.

Negative pressure (vacuum) created in EVAP system, and EVAP system pressure then measured.

Write down measured value as it will be used in leak check.

If EVAP pressure does not stabilize within 15 minutes, ECM cancels EVAP system monitor.


15 minutes*

D


Purge VSV monitor


Purge VSV opened and then EVAP system pressure measured by ECM.

Large increase indicates normality.


10 seconds

E


Second reference pressure measurement


After second reference pressure measurement, leak check performed by comparing first and second reference pressure.

If stabilized system pressure higher than second reference pressure, ECM determines that EVAP system leaking.


60 seconds

-


Final check


Atmospheric pressure measured and then monitoring result recorded by ECM.


-

*: If only a small amount of fuel is in the fuel tank, it takes longer for the EVAP pressure to stabilize.


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Old 01-17-2009, 07:51 PM   #305 (permalink)
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Re: FJ Cruiser Auxiliary Fuel Tank --> INSTALLED

If any EVAP system DTCs are set, the malfunctioning area can be determined using the table below.




If the reference pressure difference between the first and second checks is greater than the specification, all the DTCs relating to the reference pressure (P043E, P043F, P2401, P2402 and P2419) are stored.



The canister is located near the fuel tank, underneath the body.


In this vehicle's EVAP system, turning ON the vent valve does not seal off the EVAP system. To check for leaks in the EVAP system, disconnect the air inlet vent hose and apply pressure from the atmosphere side of the canister.
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Re: FJ Cruiser Auxiliary Fuel Tank --> INSTALLED

While the engine is running, if a predetermined condition (closed-loop etc.) is met, the purge VSV is opened by the ECM and stored fuel vapors in the canister are purged into the intake manifold. The ECM changes the duty cycle ratio of the purge VSV to control purge flow volume.

The purge flow volume is also determined by the intake manifold pressure. Atmospheric pressure is allowed into the canister through the vent valve to ensure that the purge flow is maintained when the negative pressure (vacuum) is applied to the canister.

The following two monitors run to confirm appropriate EVAP system operation.

1. Key-off monitor

This monitor checks for EVAP (Evaporative Emission) system leaks and canister pump module malfunctions. The monitor starts 5 hours* after the ignition switch is turned OFF. More than 5 hours are required for the fuel to cool down to stabilize the EVAP pressure, thus making the EVAP system monitor more accurate.

The leak detection pump creates negative pressure (vacuum) in the EVAP system and the pressure is measured. Finally, the ECM monitors for leaks from the EVAP system, and malfunctions in both the canister pump module and purge VSV, based on the EVAP pressure.

*: If the engine coolant temperature is not below 35°C (95°F) 5 hours after the ignition switch is turned off, the monitor check starts 2 hours later. If it is still not below 35°C (95°F) 7 hours after the ignition switch is turned off, the monitor check starts 2.5 hours later.

2. Purge flow monitor

The purge flow monitor consists of the two monitors. The 1st monitor is conducted every time and the 2nd monitor is activated if necessary.

* The 1st monitor

While the engine is running and the purge VSV (Vacuum Switching Valve) is ON (open), the ECM monitors the purge flow by measuring the EVAP pressure change. If negative pressure is not created, the ECM begins the 2nd monitor.
* The 2nd monitor

The vent valve is turned OFF (open) and the EVAP pressure is measured. If the variation in the pressure is less than 0.5 kPa-g (3.75 mmHg-g), the ECM interprets this as the purge VSV being stuck closed, and illuminates the MIL and sets DTC P0441 (2 trip detection logic).

Atmospheric pressure check:

In order to ensure reliable malfunction detection, the variation between the atmospheric pressures, before and after conduction of the purge flow monitor, is measured by the ECM.



Components
Canister
Operations
Contains activated charcoal to absorb EVAP (Evaporative Emissions) generated in fuel tank.
Components
Cut-off valve
Operations
Located in fuel tank. Valve floats and closes when fuel tank 100 % full.
Components
Purge VSV (Vacuum Switching Valve)
Operations
Opens or closes line between canister and intake manifold. ECM uses purge VSV to control EVAP purge flow. In order to discharge EVAP absorbed by canister to intake manifold, ECM opens purge VSV. EVAP discharge volume to intake manifold controlled by purge VSV duty cycle ratio (current-carrying time). (Open: ON, Closed: OFF)
Components
Refueling valve
Operations
Controls EVAP pressure from fuel tank to canister. Valve consists of diaphragm, spring and restrictor (diameter: 0.08 inch). When fuel vapor and pressure inside fuel tank increase, valve opens. While EVAP purged, valve closes and restrictor prevents large amount of vacuum from affecting pressure in fuel tank. Valve opened while refueling.
Components
Roll-over valve
Operations
Located in fuel tank. Valve closes by its own weight when vehicle overturns to prevent fuel from spilling out.
Components
Soak timer
Operations
Built into ECM. To ensure accurate EVAP monitor, measures 5 hours (+-15 minutes) after ignition switch turned OFF. This allows fuel to cool down, stabilizing EVAP pressure. When approximately 5 hours elapsed, ECM activates (refer to fig. 3).
Components
Canister pump module
Operations
Consists of (a) to (d) below. Canister pump module cannot be disassembled.
Components
(a) Vent valve
Operations
Vents and closes EVAP system. When ECM turns valve ON, EVAP system closed. When, ECM turns valve OFF, EVAP system vented. Negative pressure (vacuum) created in EVAP system to check for EVAP leaks by closing purge VSV, turning on vent valve (closed) and operating leak detection pump (refer to fig. 1).
Components
(b) Canister pressure sensor
Operations
Indicates pressure as voltages. ECM supplies regulated 5 V to canister pressure sensor, and uses feedback from sensor to monitor EVAP system pressure (refer to fig. 2).
Components
(c) Leak detection pump
Operations
Creates negative pressure (vacuum) in EVAP system for leak check.
Components
(d) Reference orifice
Operations
Has opening with 0.02 inch diameter. Vacuum produced through orifice by closing purge VSV, turning off vent valve and operating leak detection pump, to monitor reference pressure. Reference pressure indicates small leak of EVAP.






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Re: FJ Cruiser Auxiliary Fuel Tank --> INSTALLED

And Ya'll Though It Would Be Easy To Add Another Tank.
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Re: FJ Cruiser Auxiliary Fuel Tank --> INSTALLED

radrod, that's quite a dissertation. Having read most all of it, I see why the lights do not come on for awhile. Though it's a mystery why the lights show up after several days, not the next day.

Appreciate the info, at least I know what that part, of all of the parts, does, to some extent.

Getting back to the basics here, why are we getting error numbers, setting off the lights.

It would be nice to hear what MAF did with the rig last Thursday. Did they essentially reinstall the tank and take real care with all the connections?
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Re: FJ Cruiser Auxiliary Fuel Tank --> INSTALLED

I was also thinking why do I not get the check engine light every time my FJ sits for over 9 hours regardless of how full the tanks are if in fact there is a leak? Additionally, why do I always get a mystery P000 code on my scan gauge vice one of the emissions codes?


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radrod, that's quite a dissertation. Having read most all of it, I see why the lights do not come on for awhile. Though it's a mystery why the lights show up after several days, not the next day.

Appreciate the info, at least I know what that part, of all of the parts, does, to some extent.

Getting back to the basics here, why are we getting error numbers, setting off the lights.

It would be nice to hear what MAF did with the rig last Thursday. Did they essentially reinstall the tank and take real care with all the connections?
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Old 01-18-2009, 09:52 AM   #310 (permalink)
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Re: FJ Cruiser Auxiliary Fuel Tank --> INSTALLED

Amazing stuff... An there is a lot more.

I wish I could take credit for it, but it's from the Toyota "online repair manual."
$350 for a one year subscription. Hence I can't post more of it and I probably shouldn't have posted what I did. I just wanted to help out.

MAF needs a subscription, so they can design a proper product.

My GUESS at this point comes back to pressure. The error point to "Reference Orifice". Plus, the "dumb thing" waits 5 hours before testing. Talk about engineering.

I still haven't figured out the "soak Sensor" and the "Refueling valve."

At this point my tank is sitting in a box at Outlaw Offroad, so I don't have the instructions where I can see the plumbing from the Aux than to the Main tank.

With a system this complex, you can't just tap into it anywhere and pump in more gas. The new AUX tank becomes part of the "system" that the sensors are always monitoring.

Guesses:
1) It can't figure out the new capacity, via vi vapor pressure.
2) When and how it is being refueled.

After reading all this stuff, it seems to me the Aux tank should perhaps have a solenoid valve isolates the AUX tank from the main tank and only opens when you refuel thereby mimicking what happens when you pull into a gas station.

I would only use the tank for long haul and expeditions.

THese are my guesses.

My suggestion is that MAF subscribe to the online manual and have a real engineer look at the Toyota system and figure out how to either fool it or plumb in the new fuel.

The other option for them is disclaimers and then via the power of forums (the "Wiki" process) some brilliant user comes up with the fix.

Happy trails.

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