Unfortunately it appears that VSC (and related) are government mandated safety features that will be required by 2009 (or so) to help reduce roll over deaths and injuries. I would be fearfull that installing a cutoff for the VSC could engender substantial liability in the event of an accident. And no I am not a lawyer.
I would second the last statement. If you have a mod to your can and it CAUSES a wreck I suspect that you would be liable. However, the black box records the status of the car at the time of impact and it seems to me that it would capture the VCS status which should prove that it was not disabled during highway driving.
My main concern with cutting into the factory harness is possible rejection of a warranty claim. Also, I really do not want to smoke a computer $$$$$$.
I would second the last statement. If you have a mod to your can and it CAUSES a wreck I suspect that you would be liable. However, the black box records the status of the car at the time of impact and it seems to me that it would capture the VCS status which should prove that it was not disabled during highway driving.
My main concern with cutting into the factory harness is possible rejection of a warranty claim. Also, I really do not want to smoke a computer $$$$$$.
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I'm speaking from my knowledge in computer programming. I would not think they would be able to record that YOU DISABLED VSC by the ways of wiring hack, but rather shows that VSC was not in effect.
If they had VSC Disable Button as standard option in all FJ, then they would have written extra lines of codes in that you DISABLED VSC. Being that the button is not standard option, I'm pretty sure codes were not written in.
If you could put everything back the way it was after the accident, then you may be able to cover everything up. Then technician who analyze the recordings will say that ECU have a failure to trigger VSC.
To come to think of it. Minor accidents would not warrant a reason to look into your blackbox. Only when in serious accident. Chances are you will not be able to access your FJ to cover up your hack when it was involved in serious accident. Typically your vehicle will be in hands of accident investigators.
I'm speaking from my knowledge in computer programming. I would not think they would be able to record that YOU DISABLED VSC by the ways of wiring hack, but rather shows that VSC was not in effect.
If they had VSC Disable Button as standard option in all FJ, then they would have written extra lines of codes in that you DISABLED VSC. Being that the button is not standard option, I'm pretty sure codes were not written in.
If you could put everything back the way it was after the accident, then you may be able to cover everything up. Then technician who analyze the recordings will say that ECU have a failure to trigger VSC.
To come to think of it. Minor accidents would not warrant a reason to look into your blackbox. Only when in serious accident. Chances are you will not be able to access your FJ to cover up your hack when it was involved in serious accident. Typically your vehicle will be in hands of accident investigators.
I don't plan to be out there in a situation that would cause a major accident with it disabled, only in a semi controlled environment going a reasonable speed. Minor... maybe. That said I have used it a few time but a lot less than I thought I would...
No one ever plans on having an accident, that's why they are called accidents. Just use your head while you are still allowed to.
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I would be fearfull that installing a cutoff for the VSC could engender substantial liability in the event of an accident. And no I am not a lawyer.
Stay in the truck, the rest of us will be out protecting you from having to live in a police state.
How long before a person gets lambasted on this forum for driving without a sound 8 hours of sleep? For driving after drinking coffee? After a fight with the wife? It must really suck to live with so much fear.
And sorry philipl I'm not trying to attack you it's just that this crap pisses me off.
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No one ever plans on having an accident, that's why they are called accidents. Just use your head while you are still allowed to.
Stay in the truck, the rest of us will be out protecting you from having to live in a police state.
How long before a person gets lambasted on this forum for driving without a sound 8 hours of sleep? For driving after drinking coffee? After a fight with the wife? It must really suck to live with so much fear.
And sorry philipl I'm not trying to attack you it's just that this crap pisses me off.
Same feelings here. Many people worry too much. Traction control isn't a legal requirement.
well, in regards to vsc turning off in 4hi: b-s. mine shows off in 4hi, but still locks brakes in rear in really low traction situations, unless i floor it. yota dealer says its ok and normal, i say it sucks. if i get a wheel oup like major flex, i cant just keep moving, i have to use 4lo w/locker, or practically floor it.
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oh, and no, i don't like to capitalise, unless i'm bored. so take it like the bicth u are
"I noticed that when you put the FJ in 4-wheel high, the VSC turns off on it's own. Is there a way to trick the the VCS into thinking the 4-Wheel high is engaged so it will shut itself off, but you wouldn't get the additional error codes?
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I have found the VSC system to be annoying at best and in one case it created a hazzard when I was trying to merge onto the freeway and there was a pothole in the on-ramp and as the tires hit the hole while accelerating to merge the VSC kicked in and cut the power to the engine at about the same time I was entering traffic. The cars on the freeway had to abruptly slow down to avoid running into the back of my FJ. Neither they nor me were very happy. The system kicked in unnecessarily about a dozen times this week with the roads being patchy snow covered.
Take a look at the attached PDC on page BC-42, the 12th line down labeled "EXI". This is the input to the skid control ECU from the transfer case telling the ECU that 4-wheel drive is engaged (AT) or that HH or HL is selected (MT). I have the AT so I'm not too familiar with the MT. It shows that when in 4wd the terminal receives 12 volts and when in 2wd it receives no voltage. I think that if 12 volts is constantly applied to the terminal, the ECU will think that you are always in 4wd and turn off the VSC. This should work much the same way that the "Alex ATRAC Hack" fools the ECU into thinking that the rear diff isn't locked, allowing the use of both.
The teminal is number 27 on the large ECU connecter and according to the chart, is a grey wire. To test if this works, you could connect a jumper wire from pin 27 to pin 46 (IG1 which is powered when the ignition switch is on). You should be able to fool the ECU into thinking 4wd is engaged. If this works, I will be looking for a switch to turn the VSC off when I want. I wonder if the 4Runner or Sequoia have a VSC-off switch that might work.
so take it like the bicth u are 
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