My translations/comments
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MissFJ previously said:
Jason Neldo (Travel Management Team Leader)
• power point summing up the DEIS and saying their choice is Alternative D.
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There are 5 alternatives. This one has 5 months of seasonal trail closure, 844 miles of roads and 217 miles of trail for public use. While Alternative A is ideal (it’s a no action, everything stays as is alternative) most are willing to compromise to Alternative B (1120 miles of roads, 240 miles of trails, 3 months of seasonal closure).
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• received 45 letters/comments in writing so far and 90% of them weren’t specific about why they didn’t like the alternative.
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The commenting period just started and they are already tossing out our letters :angry:
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• The process has to be done (mandated) by the routes mapped are discretionary to the specific forests supervisor
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Other forests are ADDING trails. When they see how “easy” it was to close these ones, they will follow suit
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• The goal is equal recreation for all forest service users
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Equal??? There are more hiking trails then OHV trails how is that equal???
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Q&A period….Some questions weren’t answered or were so vaguely answered that I couldn’t even figure out what to write down.
Q. Where is the money going to come from to enforce the trail closures (ticketing, signage, etc)
A. OHV Funding and asking volunteer groups to help
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You’re going to close trails then ask people to help with what’s left? Nice slap in the face. OHV can’t even keep their parks open…
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Q. If trails are so bad to maintain, why not build new ones to standard?
A. Not part of their plan.
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Nothing is keeping you from making it part of the plan.
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Q. In the terms of the lawsuit constraints, the judge has stated the Forest Service Supervisor can grant an extension for this project, why hasn’t he?
A. N/A
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Supervisor has not been present at any meetings. Apparently his father is dying.
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Q. Map errors, how do we comment on the routes when the routes are marked incorrectly on the draft?
A. They will be correcting the routes on the Final EIS, the draft was so people can comment on them.
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We can’t comment on the final (hence the word final) and can’t comment on the draft because they are wrong, so how do we comment on them????
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Q. Land is for use not isolation; reducing access to the growing community of OHV. How do they plan to deal with the overuse of land and illegal activities.
A. [sorry I can’t read my writing] something about mandates. Read: didn’t answer the question
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Oh my, the future trail congestion to come.
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Q. Why close the routes when the ability to reopen them is next to nil? Talked about people with disabilities. Why not Alternative B?
A. N/A
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The successful reopening of a trail has happened….when? /sarcasm
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Q. Is there a process for adding routes in the plan?
A. “After the plan is finalized we can talk about the process for adding routes” Time restraints, not part of the scope of this project.
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This question was asked in round-about ways 3 times. This was the only “real” answer that came out.
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Q. Trails that were already marked as closed were not included in the inventory on the maps, why?
A. N/A
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They are asking why trails that are currently closed aren’t being included in the inventory or even evaluated for reopening
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Q. Why aren’t historical trails included in the map or taken into consideration when closing the trail?
A. Historical to them means “historically popular”.
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The question was related to wagon trails, mining, etc…not what the most popular trails are
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Q. If this process is to happen every year, how do you keep the personal agenda of the powers that be out of the process?
A. This is what they get paid to do.
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I want that job
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Q. Where does the money from the green sticker program go?
A. Agency’s apply to receive those funds.
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Now this is weakness in the system that needs to be dealt with!!
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Q. How do you maintain the area so that it doesn’t get overused by everyone being forced to use a limited amount of trails (reference to mammoth bar closure)?
A. Balance protection.
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Wut?? The area is no longer going to be “pretty” when up-teen hundreds of OHV users are using a small little area.
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Q. Jason, you said in the beginning of this meeting that you are closing trails because you can’t afford volunteers. If you can’t afford them now, how can you afford them later (referencing answer to Question #1?
A. Most of the maintenance can only be done by the Forest Service personnel.
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The Recreation Officer (another job I want!) even said they were concerned that we weren’t going to be careful about what plants went where (erosion control). Basically implying that we didn’t care for the land…most of the people in there were volunteers already that helped with other projects!!!
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Q. Is this process so that we can appeal and sue later?
A. It is my understanding that you have to do all you can and exhaust administrative efforts in the process that is defined by us so that you have grounds to sue.
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Thanks, but you’re not a lawyer
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Q. Is there a permit system planned in the future
A. We tried to do it for the Rubicon by it is a county road now so we can’t. It is not part of the plan now.
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Sign me up for Tuesdays at 10am please.
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Q’s There were many questions related to seasonal closures and hydrology/statistical data
A. See chapter 3
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Our club name should be Chapter 3
Folsom Meeting notes, Q&A **Must Read**
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