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Save the Johnson Valley OHV Area. Be fiscally responsible. Stop 29 Palms Marine base expansion. Keep public lands open.
With utmost respect for our nation’s military and national defense, we request our government deny any request by the US Marines to acquire 140K acres of public land designated for OHV use in Johnson Valley, CA for the purpose of expanding the 29 Palms Marine base. Expanding the world’s largest Marine base will cost tax payers millions and the Marines have publicly stated the land is only needed 2 months a year. Economic reports show neighboring communities and small businesses could lose $100 Million annually due to base expansion. The Marines current expansion plan is unnecessary and fiscally irresponsible. We request our government encourage the Marines to work with the public and obtain permits from the BLM to meet training objectives instead of closing this land to the public forever.

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Excellent topic and thread, like you i bleed red white and blue but I agree that the negative impact outweighs the advantages. If youre actively involved in this fight you may want to look / research the Pinion Canyon Colorado battle that just occured last year that is very closely related to this. They won their petition and would serve as a good recent example.


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Why can't we move the base to the US/Mexico border? Heck, sell Camp Pendleton and the move will be free!

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Thanks for the info and signatures! My friend works for the ultra4 series and he turned me onto it. I just posted here to let everyone know and do what I could to help. Sad to see all these great places coming under the gun.
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No offense guys, but I lived out there, was stationed out there and am trying to wrap my head around the numbers. I was just out there doing a study this past fall and I just don't see it. Seriously, have you honestly been around 29 palms? A lot of towns are built up by the very base they support, not the other way around. I'm just saying.
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No offense guys, but I lived out there, was stationed out there and am trying to wrap my head around the numbers. I was just out there doing a study this past fall and I just don't see it. Seriously, have you honestly been around 29 palms? A lot of towns are built up by the very base they support, not the other way around. I'm just saying.
The expansion of the base area as planned doesn't mean that there will be more marines and therefore more civilians to service the military requirements in the area. USMC identified a need to use the area to maneuver for two months out of the year. Closing the OHV area will mean that people who use the area for recreation (and spend money in surrounding towns) won't do that anymore.

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Good point and I agree that more land does not equal more people. It does sound like if this does go through they (the Marines) would open the land up (40k acres) for OHV use for the 10 months.
Again, I am just questioning the amount of dollars thrown out there, not the use of the property.
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With 29 Palms being a live ordinance base, the extra 140K acres may be designated for use of live ordinances. If this is the case, simply borrowing the land and not securing it completely could result in a catastrophic issue. Too much red tape to deal with potential for human tragedy to risk.

Looking at a map- they cant go East otherwise the cut off roads leading North/ South connecting I-10 and I-40. The only land thats not got roads is West.


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