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Old 05-22-2007, 01:20 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Immigration Bill

Well... I have been reading a lot on this bill and must say I am very conflicted, if it's the only option for improving our immigration policy in this land then I say MAYBE it's better than nothing but I seriously worry about our ability to actually implement a policy this complicated many parts of which are not specifc enough to know how it will actually be realized and no funding is specified for most of it and the bill wasnt even 'scored' by the Senate which score tells the Senators how much the total cost will be (something which they should be doing for really any bill). In case you want to hear a couple debates about the bill check these out...

Hugh Hewitt and Fred Barnes on Immigration Bill.mp3
Hugh Hewitt and Tony Snow on Immigration Bill.mp3
Hugh & John Fund from The Wall Street Journal.mp3
Hugh & Senator Jeff Sessions.mp3

Amendment Arguments by Hugh
Reaction of Newt G.
From the Heritage Foundation
From CATO

note***if the no politics ban is back in effect they sorry about this just kill it but i didnt see the admins say the ban was back...
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Old 05-22-2007, 01:37 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Re: Immigration Bill

I am all for immigration. Only legal immigration though.
I do not believe in amnesty or rewarding people for breaking the law. I also think the last amnesty in the 80's didn't slove a damn thing and probably only helped fuel many of the problems we have now with illegals.
It is a bit of a catch 22 however.
At the same time I would like to see those who are here and productive stay here becasue we do need them.
Requiring them to pay fines and travel back to their country of origin might no t be financialy possible for many.
It's a tough call but obvious that the current system is broken.
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Old 05-22-2007, 01:39 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Re: Immigration Bill

this topic is the third rail with the moderators..
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this topic is the third rail with the moderators..
How about if we made sure and referenced FJ's during the discussion? Such as: How many trips per FJ built would it take to transport all of the illegal aliens back to their own country.... and what mods would need to be made to make the trip...?
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Re: Immigration Bill

Hugh spends the hour with the San Antonio Express News' Todd Bensman over his excellent series on who exactly is crossing the border illegally

Hugh discusses the nuts and bolts of the Senate immigration bill with Oklahoma Senator James Inhofe and Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff

Hugh spends much of the hour with Arizona Senator Jon Kyl about the concerns many conservatives have with the Senate immigration bill, and the prospects for amending it

Hugh spends extended segments with the Smart Guys to discuss potential Constitutional problems that could arise as a result of implementing the new Senate immigration bill
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Old 05-24-2007, 09:33 AM   #7 (permalink)
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The edit already in this Country cost us, the taxpayers, an estimated
90 BILLION DOLLARS in provided services PER YEAR.
Now, take that number and divide it by the FJ price, say, 30k.
I'm too pissed to even do basic math anymore.
I see, by reading your posts that this is more than just politics. I believe you have a more serious and racist issues. I pitty you, I really do.

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I see, by reading your posts that this is more than just politics. I believe you have a more serious and racist issues. I pitty you, I really do.

??? Just because someone doesn't like illegal immigration and the costs associated with it doesn't mean they are racist, a word that is thrown about so much as to be nearly meaningless by the way.
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??? Just because someone doesn't like illegal immigration and the costs associated with it doesn't mean they are racist, a word that is thrown about so much as to be nearly meaningless by the way.
a key word in that post is missing. you'd think otherwise if you saw the full version
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