Imagine yourself on the road to McDonald's for lunch on a sunny Wednesday afternoon and spot a sudden flash in your rearview mirror. Imagine now that every streetlight goes dark, almost every car dies, and your brand new TomTom is JunkJunk -- North America just got hit with a high altitude EMP attack. In one nanosecond the US infrastructure is brought to its knees. Martial law will soon be declared and curfews are soon to follow. What will you do?
Granted, nobody knows exactly how bad it would hurt, so just go with what you know.
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EMP detonated at 200 miles in the Earth's atmosphere will kill everything with electronics within an approximate 3k mile diameter. We found that out in the late 40's when doing testing in the pacific and accidentally knocked out power in Hawaii. Obviously, the blast doesn't have to be from a modern day large scale nuclear device if the 40's era blast was able to affect that large of an area.
The recent missile testing in Iran where they detonated short range missiles at 200 miles straight up in the atmosphere over Iran was widely ridiculed as a failure by most Europeans b/c they mistakenly believed that Iran was testing it's ability to deliever a nuclear warhead with those short range rockets/missiles. Maybe that wasn't the point of their testing at all.
Sean
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EMP detonated at 200 miles in the Earth's atmosphere will kill everything with electronics within an approximate 3k mile diameter. We found that out in the late 40's when doing testing in the pacific and accidentally knocked out power in Hawaii. Obviously, the blast doesn't have to be from a modern day large scale nuclear device if the 40's era blast was able to affect that large of an area.
The recent missile testing in Iran where they detonated short range missiles at 200 miles straight up in the atmosphere over Iran was widely ridiculed as a failure by most Europeans b/c they mistakenly believed that Iran was testing it's ability to deliever a nuclear warhead with those short range rockets/missiles. Maybe that wasn't the point of their testing at all.
Sean
Exactly. I was reading that a 20 MT warhead detonated in space over Kansas would take out almost all of North America. So far N. Korea and Iran can't do it, but China can. Unfortunately it's a very real threat.
Exactly. I was reading that a 20 MT warhead detonated in space over Kansas would take out almost all of North America. So far N. Korea and Iran can't do it, but China can. Unfortunately it's a very real threat.
While tension is building with China....they really aren't currently a threat per se. Their yen is tied too tightly to our dollar (around 80%) and we are their largest consumer. Now, should we indeed enter an economic downturn where we cannot buy their goods, or they decide to call in all the American debt we've accumulated with them, we could be in serious trouble, but I'd suspect they'd divest their currency from ours before that would happen. If they drop suddenly or whittle their way down to 20% or less....it could be cause for concern.
Considering the fact that China hacked the DOD computer system causing a crash that lasted for up to 7 days (the Pentagon is being tight lipped about specifics) last year, I'd say they are definitely not our "best friends".
Try this scenario on for size: N. Korea has plenty of nukes but no real money. Iran has plenty of money but doesn't quite have a nuke (though I still believe regardless of the media's "party line" that they don't....that they are very close).
What if they make a trade and Iran arms just 3 terrorist groups in large fishing vessels....one in the Gulf of Mexico, one off the west and one off the east coast.
Simultaneous detonation (even with US interceptor capable rocket defense systems) would still cause large EMPs to major metro areas.
Thought Katrina was bad? What would you do with no electricity....no access to your bank account, no running vehicle, no gas station pumps, no clean water, no food being trucked into your city (which could easily happen with a simple trucker's strike over the price of diesel)?
How long would it take for our own people to turn on one another?
Prepare for the worst, hope for the best.
Sean
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While tension is building with China....they really aren't currently a threat per se. Their yen is tied too tightly to our dollar (around 80%) and we are their largest consumer. Now, should we indeed enter an economic downturn where we cannot buy their goods, or they decide to call in all the American debt we've accumulated with them, we could be in serious trouble, but I'd suspect they'd divest their currency from ours before that would happen. If they drop suddenly or whittle their way down to 20% or less....it could be cause for concern.
Considering the fact that China hacked the DOD computer system causing a crash that lasted for up to 7 days (the Pentagon is being tight lipped about specifics) last year, I'd say they are definitely not our "best friends".
Try this scenario on for size: N. Korea has plenty of nukes but no real money. Iran has plenty of money but doesn't quite have a nuke (though I still believe regardless of the media's "party line" that they don't....that they are very close).
What if they make a trade and Iran arms just 3 terrorist groups in large fishing vessels....one in the Gulf of Mexico, one off the west and one off the east coast.
Simultaneous detonation (even with US interceptor capable rocket defense systems) would still cause large EMPs to major metro areas.
Thought Katrina was bad? What would you do with no electricity....no access to your bank account, no running vehicle, no gas station pumps, no clean water, no food being trucked into your city (which could easily happen with a simple trucker's strike over the price of diesel)?
How long would it take for our own people to turn on one another?
Prepare for the worst, hope for the best.
Sean
Probably 10 more years until your words are prophetic. I do recommend invading canada again.
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Imagine yourself on the road to McDonald's for lunch on a sunny Wednesday afternoon and spot a sudden flash in your rearview mirror. Imagine now that every streetlight goes dark, almost every car dies, and your brand new TomTom is JunkJunk -- North America just got hit with a high altitude EMP attack. In one nanosecond the US infrastructure is brought to its knees. Martial law will soon be declared and curfews are soon to follow. What will you do?
Granted, nobody knows exactly how bad it would hurt, so just go with what you know.
That is why i am going to build an FJ without all the electronics. Go back to the old points and coil so i can still get around after.
Even better a diesel so there isn't a need for the electronics and i can render down my enemies for fuel
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Re: Our Achilles’ heel. Just to make you think.
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Sean K. previously said:
Thought Katrina was bad? What would you do with no electricity....no access to your bank account, no running vehicle, no gas station pumps, no clean water, no food being trucked into your city
Glad that I have a generator (while the gas lasts...), a 1984 Toyota pickup truck, a water well, two big gardens, and a bunch of chickens. And a lot of ammo... for trade you know.
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That is why i am going to build an FJ without all the electronics. Go back to the old points and coil so i can still get around after.
Even better a diesel so there isn't a need for the electronics and i can render down my enemies for fuel
That's the way to go.
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1911 previously said:
Glad that I have a generator (while the gas lasts...), a 1984 Toyota pickup truck, a water well, two big gardens, and a bunch of chickens. And a lot of ammo... for trade you know.
Once people find out what you have, you'll be doing a lot of trading.
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