As far as Gore goes, I can take him or leave him. What I will say in support of him is that he has succeeded in getting people tallking and increasing awareness about an important topic.
Where is the misquote? The man said "I took the initiative in creating the internet". How is this misquoted - I even posted a video with a recording of Gore saying this. It is only semantics when folks use "inventing" instead of "creating". No matter, the dude said it and just as I'm sure many libs enjoy "Bushisms" (Why oh why can't he correctly pronounce N-U-C-L-E-A-R? ), so too do I enjoy poking fun at flubs made by them.
Well, again I hate being pushed into defending this guy, but the fact of the matter is that he DID push through initiatives in Congress that were directly instrumental in transforming the military and educational based ARPANET/NSFNET into what we know today as the "Internet".
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On March 19, 1979, Gore became the first person to appear on C-SPAN, making a speech in the House chambers.[29] In the late 1980s, Gore introduced the Gore Bill, which was later passed as the High Performance Computing and Communication Act of 1991. Leonard Kleinrock, a key player in the development of the ARPANET, considers the act to be a critical moment in Internet history.[30]
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Well, again I hate being pushed into defending this guy, but the fact of the matter is that he DID push through initiatives in Congress that were directly instrumental in transforming the military and educational based ARPANET/NSFNET into what we know today as the "Internet".
Alright. Be honest. Pretend it's just you and I, two friends, razzing each other about our opposing political leanings and forget about the fact that there are over 19,000 members on this forum.
If George Bush had said the same exact quote, wouldn't you be harassing me about him saying he had invented the internet?
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We certainly have had many obvious impacts on the environment at a global scale. I just think that global climate change is much more of a socio/political movement towards socialism and fascism than a preventable environmental crisis or a phenomenon that we could control even if we wanted to.
BINGO!!
I called this "environmental movement" back around 1998, it's an "enemy" that knows no geographical boundaries and requires all industrialized countries to promise to do things that cost productivity and raise "funds" against the "enemy" while increasing the governmental coffers. There will need to be an establishment of a superior power over all these industrialized coutries and the resultant loss of soverignty which is made to "feel" like a justifiable sacrifice to the believers.
Repeating things over and over (whether they are factual of not) can result in beliefs that might be just a little "off".
ALgore is a tool or cog in the transfer of trash "knowledge" to the un-critical thinking masses. This has taken awhile, like Todd said it's been a topic flip-flopped for a century now by the media and scientific community. But, as a twist of fate ALGore was in the right place at the right time. I have to kind of admire someone able to suck azz that long in order to ultimately be where he is today in the cult of "personality". I remember the days when he had handlers trying to show him how to be perceived as an "Alpha male" when he was being towed along as the Clinton's "Beta male".
How can anyone feel "against" efforts to safe the earth or sabotage the repetitious reporting of the "science" proving global warming/global climate change (see how the name changed when the data regarding observed activity didn't match the "scientific" predictions)? How can anyone feel so important and arrogant to think that we as humans have the power to change the earth?
I'm waiting to see the plan to control population growth because we supposedly can't feed all the inhabitants. This will be the next "Enemy" now that we, as in our government, is subsidizing food as fuel and allowing, even encouraging illegal ingress.
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Alright. Be honest. Pretend it's just you and I, two friends, razzing each other about our opposing political leanings and forget about the fact that there are over 19,000 members on this forum.
If George Bush had said the same exact quote, wouldn't you be harassing me about him saying he had invented the internet?
Well, as you and the 19,000 others may or may not have noticed, I am always willing to debate a good issue like this without getting emotional and angry about it. So if we were sitting around a camp fire after a wild day of 4 wheelin, trading barbs about our political leanings - we wouldn't have to imagine GB had said this, because he HAS said much stupider things!!
All in all, I agree with you - it makes for a funny story about the nerdy ex-vp and his verbal slips. I originally bought into the whole thing and was "what an idiot!" like everyone else. Then I did some research and found out that he actually does have a valid claim, how surprising! I never expected it until I saw it for myself. He really did not, and still does not, strike me as all that intelligent. But you have to admit - he looks like a Mensa Master compared to "Dubya".
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How can anyone feel so important and arrogant to think that we as humans have the power to change the earth?
Tell that to the native inhabitants of the arctic that have so many pesticides and pollutants in their bloodstreams that a mothers breast milk could by definition, be considered toxic waste. These are chemicals that we created, used, and have never been seen or heard of by the people that are being affected. Our actions in the industrialized world have poisoned the water, air, and through the trophic pyramid, the people that subsist of the land (actually the sea).
Recognizing our impacts on the environment isn't an act of arrogance but an excercise in responsibility.
How can anyone feel so important and arrogant to think that we as humans have the power to change the earth?
I can show you a simple energy balance equation that can prove we have the power to change the Earth. Calculating the optical depth change in the CO2, adding in the water vapour abundance increase and associated opacity increase for vapour (water is a slave system since it's in vapour pressure equilibrium), you can easily notch up a few K surface temp change. No arrogance, just simple physics. Or the same kind of arrogance it took to get people to the moon. Whichever way you want to view it.
Recognizing our impacts on the environment isn't an act of arrogance but an excercise in responsibility.
Recognizing our impacts and modifying society as we know it are two different things. As one example, most of the items targeted in the Kyoto protocol (for the countries that signed it) will not be met by their deadlines.
I think it's easy to see what that is all about if you just look at principle #5 in the agreement: Kyoto includes "flexible mechanisms" which allow Annex I economies to meet their greenhouse gas emission limitation by purchasing GHG emission reductions from elsewhere. IT'S about the MONEY
IT GOT SOLD TO US THIS WAY: There were fears that the cost of complying with Kyoto would be expensive for many Annex I countries, especially those countries already home to efficient, low greenhouse gas emitting industries, and high prevailing environmental standards. Kyoto therefore allows these countries to purchase (cheaper) carbon credits on the world market instead of reducing greenhouse gas emissions domestically, and POLLUTING ALL THEY WANT AS LONG AS THEY PAY FOR IT.
Modifying society based on moving targets like climate change that can't be manipulated by man even in the name of "saving the planet" is a knee-jerk reaction that will have dire consequences to our freedoms.
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Repeating things over and over (whether they are factual of not) can result in beliefs that might be just a little "off".
Yep, that I have to agree with - A lie told often enough becomes the truth.
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How can anyone feel "against" efforts to safe the earth or sabotage the repetitious reporting of the "science" proving global warming/global climate change (see how the name changed when the data regarding observed activity didn't match the "scientific" predictions)? How can anyone feel so important and arrogant to think that we as humans have the power to change the earth?
The early lumberjacks thought "there is no way we will ever use up all of this fine timber" - until whole forests were decimated
Early farmers thought - "we'll never use up all of this open land" - until improper land management caused the Great Dust Bowl
Early settlers thought - " that huge river can get rid of all my waste" - until entire rivers were so polluted that you could die from drinking of it
It is a sad fact that we - as a race - have a long history of assuming we can never really harm Mother Nature and that her bounty is unlimited, and we've been repeatedly wrong about that.
If you wish to consider yourself a "critical thinker" you should question your own most strongly held beliefs as much as you question the "other guys" beliefs. Have you really proven to yourself that what you believe is true? Or do you just want to believe it because it is convenient?
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), so too do I enjoy poking fun at flubs made by them.
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