I can show you a simple energy balance equation that can prove we have the power to change the Earth. Calculating the optical depth change in the CO2, adding in the water vapour abundance increase and associated opacity increase for vapour (water is a slave system since it's in vapour pressure equilibrium), you can easily notch up a few K surface temp change. No arrogance, just simple physics. Or the same kind of arrogance it took to get people to the moon. Whichever way you want to view it.
I want it to be 85 and sunny in Nashville TN on July 29th. What do we do first to assure this happens?
I would think that an increase in opacity of the atmosphere due to increase in vapor is a temperature reduction mechanism utilized by the atmosphere to automatically regulate the amount of gross sunlight allowed to get to the earths surface.
I just know that when it's cloudy it sure feels cooler to me.
Please explain
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Nobody (at least here) said Kyoto was a good solution. It like most everything else is politically motivated. The fact of the matter is that we do have a significant impact on our surroundings and we should be proactive in preventing future problems rather than denying our influence.
First of all....born and raised in Miami, Florida...so YES, I am smart. However, I suffered major intellectual drainage when I lived in Hammond, Louisiana. I feel it reversing now that I live in this wonderful state of Tennessee.
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We have members on this forum from Hammond. Well at least one, tincan. Check out his DIY threads, he seems to be a smart guy.
I have a t-shirt with that phrase on it! I love wearing it at Caltech. It's *so* nerdy, some people don't even get it.
My favorite ....
There are 10 kinds of people. Those who understand binary notation, and those who do not.
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Tell that to the native inhabitants of the arctic that have so many pesticides and pollutants in their bloodstreams that a mothers breast milk could by definition, be considered toxic waste. These are chemicals that we created, used, and have never been seen or heard of by the people that are being affected. Our actions in the industrialized world have poisoned the water, air, and through the trophic pyramid, the people that subsist of the land (actually the sea).
Recognizing our impacts on the environment isn't an act of arrogance but an excercise in responsibility.
You're absolutely right. We have done some pretty crappy things to our environment and it has definitely had impacts on human populations. As you note, it is often those with less political influence that suffer the most.
Much of this global environmental damage has been done by the United States and European countries in the past, and now, by other developing countries wishing to follow our paths. Unfortunately, some of the most agregious offenders today are the same countries posing themselves as environmental saviors. China for example is playing both sides of the card.
The United States could be criticized for being somewhat hypocritical for essentially saying "we've gotten ours, now you shouldn't have yours". However, there is much to be said for learning from our mistakes. This is not to say by any means that the United States today maintains a perfect environmental record, but I do believe that we are increasingly headed in the right direction, global climate change notwithstanding.
Truth about environmental problems aside. I still maintain that the left is exploiting the global climate change issue as an excuse to execute a much broader array of social changes that would completely change our incipient system of government. In other words, hard times and trials are a'comin' for those who truly value the our traditional freedoms and values upon which this country was founded, tested, and made better over time. The likes of Gore, the Clintons, Bush, Obama, McCain, and other liberals are all "Pied Pipers" leading us down a path of change we may ultimately regret.
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I have a t-shirt with that phrase on it! I love wearing it at Caltech. It's *so* nerdy, some people don't even get it
I'm just glad that you got it and the right way too I meant no offense.
As a matter of fact I have a sometimes GF that has an admitted fetish for my "nerdiness". I think it stems from my "breeding" a functional dependence on me to teach her to operate all the electronic crap she buys for her house.
I was asked the other evening to "talk nerdy" and all I could come up with quickly was
"I think the first flyswatters were probably nothing more than a striking surface attached to a long stick"
Help me, I need some new material
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men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea
Truth about environmental problems aside. I still maintain that the left is exploiting the global climate change issue as an excuse to execute a much broader array of social changes that would completely change our incipient system of government. In other words, hard times and trials are a'comin' for those who truly value the our traditional freedoms and values upon which this country was founded, tested, and made better over time. The likes of Gore, the Clintons, Bush, Obama, McCain, and other liberals are all "Pied Pipers" leading us down a path of change we may ultimately regret.
I'm just glad that you got it and the right way too I meant no offense.
As a matter of fact I have a sometimes GF that has an admitted fetish for my "nerdiness". I think it stems from my "breeding" a functional dependence on me to teach her to operate all the electronic crap she buys for her house.
I was asked the other evening to "talk nerdy" and all I could come up with quickly was
"I think the first flyswatters were probably nothing more than a striking surface attached to a long stick"
Help me, I need some new material
I find going off on explanatory tangents about how simple things work really helps. Like if there's a partial moon tell her something like "well, you know, you should really try and visualize the moon and the earth in 3d space relative to the sun. Then you can see that the moon is really just like a tennis ball lit by a flashlight and you can even see which direction the sun must be because of what side is lit. Pretty cool, the sun must be over thata way, even though it's night and we can't see it." Oh, man, that gets the romance going. Women love *nothing* more than extended discussions of 3d spatial geometry alone of an evening whilst starring at the moon.
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My favorite ....
There are 10 kinds of people. Those who understand binary notation, and those who do not.
Three Caltech professors, a biologist, physicist and a mathematician are chatting while people watching in a courtyard someplace. Two people go into a room and a little while later, three emerge. The biologist says "a ha: biology - that's an example of reproduction!" "Not so," says the physicist, "it's quantum mechanics - tunneling suggests that whilst unlikely, it's possible for there to be fluctuations in the number of observables." Then all of a sudden another person goes into the room. The mathematician gets all excited "you see, it balances now."
I want it to be 85 and sunny in Nashville TN on July 29th. What do we do first to assure this happens?
I would think that an increase in opacity of the atmosphere due to increase in vapor is a temperature reduction mechanism utilized by the atmosphere to automatically regulate the amount of gross sunlight allowed to get to the earths surface.
I just know that when it's cloudy it sure feels cooler to me.
Please explain
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I have a t-shirt with that phrase on it! I love wearing it at Caltech. It's *so* nerdy, some people don't even get it.
As they say, climate is what you expect, but ultimately weather is all you get. Only way to guarantee 85 and sunny in July is move to LA.
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I'm just glad that you got it and the right way too I meant no offense.
As a matter of fact I have a sometimes GF that has an admitted fetish for my "nerdiness". I think it stems from my "breeding" a functional dependence on me to teach her to operate all the electronic crap she buys for her house.
I was asked the other evening to "talk nerdy" and all I could come up with quickly was
"I think the first flyswatters were probably nothing more than a striking surface attached to a long stick"
Help me, I need some new material
Nerds are HAWT!!! Give me a really bright man who is average looking instead of a dipsh:t who is a head turner any day!!
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