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View Poll Results: Visitors from another planet
I believe that space aliens live in our midst. 7 10.00%
Space aliens currently visit Earth 12 17.14%
Space aliens visited Earth but I don't think they do it now. 1 1.43%
Space aliens will visit Earth in the future within my lifetime. 5 7.14%
I think CHK_TRD might be a space alien in human form. 19 27.14%
I don't believe in life on other planets. 3 4.29%
If there is intelligent life on other planets, they're too smart to visit us. 14 20.00%
What does this thread have to do with FJ Cruisers? 9 12.86%
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Old 05-11-2008, 08:26 AM   #41 (permalink)
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...the idea that if you religiously follow the steps of the Scientific Method, ye shall receive truth...
Uuhh, oohhh - you just stepped in it real good there!


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Old 05-11-2008, 09:22 AM   #42 (permalink)
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It is sometimes difficult for us, especially we who are not specifically trained in a field of research or in the rules of logic, to be objective about the literature in an area outside our specialty. The power of the written word, the forceful current of a persuasive argument, and the care with which confirming evidence is presented and refuting evidence suppressed or camouflaged, all make it difficult to see the flaws in some of the popular works on quantum physics, biology--or any other science.

We can rely on intuition but all too often, intuition fails to deliver accurate results.

When I consider exobiology (study of the origin, evolution, and distribution of life in the universe), I'm drawn back to Darwin's Theory of Natural Selection. Darwin's idea is very very simple; it goes like this.

1-Organisms pass their characteristics on to their descendants, which are mostly but not completely identical to their parent organisms.
2-Organisms breed more descendants than can possibly survive.
3-Descendants with beneficial variations have a better chance of surviving and reproducing, however slight, than those with non-beneficial variations.
4-These slightly modified descendants are themselves organisms, so repeat from step 1. (There is no stopping condition.)

That's it. That's all there is to Natural Selection: a simple four step loop; a mindless algorithm that displays no intent, no design, no purpose, no goal, no deeper meaning.

And if it holds true here, it will hold true elsewhere.
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It is sometimes difficult for us, especially we who are not specifically trained in a field of research or in the rules of logic, to be objective about the literature in an area outside our specialty. The power of the written word, the forceful current of a persuasive argument, and the care with which confirming evidence is presented and refuting evidence suppressed or camouflaged, all make it difficult to see the flaws in some of the popular works on quantum physics, biology--or any other science.

We can rely on intuition but all too often, intuition fails to deliver accurate results.

When I consider exobiology (study of the origin, evolution, and distribution of life in the universe), I'm drawn back to Darwin's Theory of Natural Selection. Darwin's idea is very very simple; it goes like this.

1-Organisms pass their characteristics on to their descendants, which are mostly but not completely identical to their parent organisms.
2-Organisms breed more descendants than can possibly survive.
3-Descendants with beneficial variations have a better chance of surviving and reproducing, however slight, than those with non-beneficial variations.
4-These slightly modified descendants are themselves organisms, so repeat from step 1. (There is no stopping condition.)

That's it. That's all there is to Natural Selection: a simple four step loop; a mindless algorithm that displays no intent, no design, no purpose, no goal, no deeper meaning.

And if it holds true here, it will hold true elsewhere.

Exactly - Natural Selection - an elegant mechanism for the evolution of life that make such sense. This is another example of a wonderful scientific discovery made without the use of the Scientific Method. Darwin put it all together using reasoning and observations on his voyage and through his life experiences.

And the process of Natural Selection itself is indeed quite mindless - just as is the engine in my FJ - intake, compression, fire, and exhaust... Still, I'm reminded that the engine in my FJ was created by humans to serve a purpose. Currently, it propels my FJ most often to carry me to and from work and afield for adventure. It gives me pleasure.

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Larry will you bring an alien with you for the campout on Memorial Day weekend?
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Exactly - Natural Selection - an elegant mechanism for the evolution of life that make such sense. This is another example of a wonderful scientific discovery made without the use of the Scientific Method. Darwin put it all together using reasoning and observations on his voyage and through his life experiences.
Scientific Method is not used for the purpose of discovery - it was developed to help verify, validate, the predicted results of a theory.

Usually, things are discovered at random, and then the scientific method is applied to see if the discovery falls in line with the current way of thinking.
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Larry will you bring an alien with you for the campout on Memorial Day weekend?
The only one I know of is CHK_TRD and she's in Portland - so it's doubtful. And by the way the voting has gone on this thread, it's no secret that she has come to earth when the distant Planet X exploded with powers and abilities far beyond those of mortals. Maybe she'll fly down. Some say that she relies on a broom for transportation. I say that it's a "flying stick" merely disguised as a broom.

For a while I thought you were an alien - then I discovered that you were an angel sans halo.
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Aaaahhhhhhh!!!! Things that go BUMP in the night the Munkay!!!

Any Chick_TRD sightings up there Larry? Or do you think the spaceship will land sometime in the middle of the night at the KOA Campground - right on top of Dom's rig?
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All I know is, after watching War of the Worlds I got to work. Tom Cruise in all his great wisdom has given us fair warning. I'll be ready for those fertilizer-from-human-flesh-making ba$tards!!!

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