I'm not reading this whole thread but this has nothing to do with Toyota or Toyota paint. A lot of automakers use environmentally safer water based paint these days. Go to any other auto forum and you'll see similiar threads. I had the same problem with my audi. Soft paint. If it's a problem, get clearbra, but please don't waste your time trying to get toyota to warranty it or threaten class action lawsuits, it only makes it worse for the rest of us.
If that is your explanation for things and are happy living with a polka-dotted FJ, then fine! Everyone is entitled to thier opinon no matter how misinformed. I've got an Audi that I have driven specifically when the rocks are flying for fear of the delicate nature of the FJs skin over the course of the last winter. I have a clear bra on the FJ and not on the Audi. My FJ stays in the garage 5 days a week and only makes appearances on the weekend. Yet my FJ looks as if it's been beaten up by being a daily driver in the worst sand storm one can imagine. Furthermore, there are paint chips on the side of the vehicle as well (the hood, a pillars, all four doors, rear quarter panels-everywhere but the trunk door-and it's yet to go "off road"). I've never owned any vehicle that has had cosmetic damage on the side of the vehicle which resembles the same cosmetic damage to the nose of it.
The truth of the matter is that the Audi has 56K miles and is about as clean as they get. The FJ has 15K miles and looks like it has 115K miles. You might buy that enviro friendly soft paint rhetoric, but I don't buy it for a second. These are vehicles that are painted robotically in controlled environments with ventelation and air filtration systems-not one Japanese dude with a spray gun and a mask.
I'm not sure exactly what threat you perceive from the rest of us pushing for products that offer a reasonable expectation for durability. But I fail to see how this "makes things worse" for you? We are not trying to instill buyer's remorse on anyone, but ignoring a growing problem is not the way to go in my opinion.
No one has asked you to take the podium and speak one way or another regarding your FJ or the inferior aspects of it. Having respect for those who do is not mandated by anyone, but don't think for a second that anyone is losing out for speaking out about a problem.
To date, no one has spearheaded any effort to form a class action suit against Toyota over the crappy paint jobs. Perhaps next time you SHOULD read the thread and not make an assumption solely based on the title of a thread.
If I'm wrong and if you really feel that this is making things worse for you, then please state (in concrete terms) how this has affected you instead of making a blanket statement that holds no water.
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If that is your explanation for things and are happy living with a polka-dotted FJ, then fine! Everyone is entitled to thier opinon no matter how misinformed. I've got an Audi that I have driven specifically when the rocks are flying for fear of the delicate nature of the FJs skin over the course of the last winter. I have a clear bra on the FJ and not on the Audi. My FJ stays in the garage 5 days a week and only makes appearances on the weekend. Yet my FJ looks as if it's been beaten up by being a daily driver in the worst sand storm one can imagine. Furthermore, there are paint chips on the side of the vehicle as well. I've never owned any vehicle that has had cosmetic damage on the side of the vehicle which resembles the same cosmetic damage to the nose of it.
Post a pic, I want to see this polka-dotted FJ that has a clear bra and is only driven on the weekends when rocks are on vacation...
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The truth of the matter is that the Audi has 56K miles and is about as clean as they get. The FJ has 15K miles and looks like it has 115K miles. You might buy that enviro friendly soft paint rhetoric, but I don't buy it for a second. These are vehicles that are painted robotically in controlled environments with ventelation and air filtration systems-not one Japanese dude with a spray gun and a mask.
But, somehow the windshields are hand made and only some of them are defective or thin or weak somehow. I'm sure they are manufactured in the exact same process as every other product Toyota makes...
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I'm not sure exactly what threat you perceive from the rest of us pushing for products that offer a reasonable expectation for durability. But I fail to see how this "makes things worse" for you? We are not trying to instill buyer's remorse on anyone, but ignoring a growing problem is not the way to go in my opinion.
As stated in the other threads, lawsuits don't solve problems, they only feed lawsuit happy lawyers making higher costs for everyone. That is how they make things worse...
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No one has asked you to take the podium and speak one way or another regarding your FJ or the inferior aspects of it. Having respect for those who do is not mandated by anyone, but don't think for a second that anyone is losing out for speaking out about a problem.
Who asked you to speak one way or the other? Who made you forum moderator to determine if someone can post their opinion. I have stopped being "negative" in the other thread you "moderate" but seeing you trying to bully other members in other threads is getting ridiculous.
Last time I checked, this is an OPEN PUBLIC forum which everyone has the ability to post their opinion. If you want to regulate who can post then start your own forum, post the rules and run it to your hearts desire. Until then, you can stop posting your objections to other's opinions that don't agree with you. You can disagree all you want but your opinion has no greater value than anyone elses. If you can step down from the podium once in a while to let other speak their piece and start respecting others opinions to speak/write just as you do.
To quote some TV social psych guru...respect is a 2-way street, try giving some and you may find you may get some in return.
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First, I don't believe in the rock salt theory, I bought my FJ in Oct. 07. Less than three weeks after I bought it I started to notice chips so I ordered a container of black touch up paint and got to work. We all know that the winter started late in the Northeast therefore rock salt is a bunch of BS. I am starting to notice chips in the white as well, I am going to order white touch up next.
If there was a class action suit what would be the remedy? Free paint jobs for everyone, a monetary refund, Toyota pays for us to have them painted on our own or free touch up paint for the life of the vehicle?
It's one thing to get them to admit to a problem and another to get them to do something about it.
I agree with you with regard to the difficulty of getting Toyota to do something about it which is why class action suits are popular these days. I'm not advocating legal action in every situation, but I can say that how they tread on this matter will certainly influence which manufacturers I purchase vehicles from in the future and which ones to stay away from.
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You might buy that enviro friendly soft paint rhetoric, but I don't buy it for a second. These are vehicles that are painted robotically in controlled environments with ventelation and air filtration systems-not one Japanese dude with a spray gun and a mask.
The manner in which they are painted has nothing to do with the actual physical makeup of the paint and it's durability.
type in any car maker in google followed by "paint chipping" and you'll turn up atleast one, if not more thread similiar to this from some whiney owner who thinks they are entitled to something for soft paint. Again, this is not a TOYOTA or FJ CRUISER issue, everyone has this problem, especially if you live in an area where gravel is spread on the roads. My suggestion? Clearbra and don't tailgate if it's that big of an issue. Or use the truck how it's supposed to be used (offroading) and don't worry about what happens to your paint.
Your penchant for pulling apart statements and making counter claims is admirable but doesn't mean much. You might be jaded by the "quality" of the FJ but I'm calling B.S. On my rig, the polka-dotting is everywhere except for where the clear bra is-that's why I'm upset about the sub-standard paint job on the FJ and why my sales guy said "it's the worst he's seen." Why you seek proof is beyond me, I'm simply relaying my experience so that others can have full knowledge of the problems BEFORE they decide to buy one. I'm not into blowing smoke up people's A$$ES when there is a real problem. It may not happen to all FJs but it is certainly happening to mine. Personally, I have nothing to prove to you unless you happen to work for Toyota and can score me a factory authorized warranty paint job. If you do happen to work for Toyota and can talk to someone at corporate, then I'd be happy to supply photos.
And if you don't like my posts then quit gravitating toward them. Thanks for the advice to play nice...Oh, OB1...but I think I'll pass and honor my first amendment right to free speech without all the P.C. niceties that permiate this society and make people weak by design. I think I'll leave the sensitivity training to all the brain-washed automatons out there. Ultimately, if you don't like what I have to say then place me on your banned list and you'll never have to see them again.
Until then, I'm going to make a stink about these problems until they are resolved. As far as I'm concerned, there is no rule on the forum that states that all comments need to be positive in regard to the overwhelming "I love my FJ" mentality. By and large, I do love my FJ, but that doesn't mean that every aspect is stellar, because it isn't!
You are entitled to your opinon as am I. Suggesting that I limit my freedom of speech to your version of acceptability is hog wash and completely denies THE FREEDOM OF SPEECH.
Again, I'm not sure why you persist on standing up for the untouchable "quality" and "durability" of the FJ when it is apparent to me and other owners that there is a growing problem with the paint and the front windshield. My current opinon is that cosmetically (exterior only), the FJ is crap!!! I'm sorry if this bursts your "FJ is god" bubble, but I have higher expectations from a company that prides itself on quality.
Based on your sentiments on both this thread and the windshield thread, my guess is that you don't have a problem with either-good for you!
Now, admittedly, I have a short fuse when I see BS statements made that have no apparent merit. In my case, I have my own FJ with all the chipping and pitting (paint and windshield) as proof. Is this a widespread problem with a majority of FJs out there? I don't know. But if a blanket statement does have merit then back it up with fact or at least a personal story to give some street credibility. As far as everyone's "damages" go, I'm comfortable enough with their stories without needing pictures. I have compassion and don't need hard evidence to know what they are going through.
Responding to any entry is open to anyone. No one has made me forum moderator but free speech is a two way street. Everyone is entitled to their opinion but in my opinion, don't throw out non-sensical statements if you don't want to get flamed. Cause I've got my flamethrower with a big old tank of fuel at my disposal.
Jo2,
Just because paint chipping happens to other vehicles does not make it right-it just means that other manufacturers make lemons too!
If my Audi were exhibiting a tenth of the chipping I've seen occur on my FJ, I'd be in the face of Audi as well!!! In fact, I just got off the phone with my Audi salesman (now GM) and explained what was happening. His response was that "if the same damage had occured to my Audi he would have it warrantied and suggested I do the same with Toyota."
Two (or more) wrongs do not make a right, whoever sold you on that bag of garbage probably has a bridge they want to sell you as well!!!
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The manner in which they are painted has nothing to do with the actual physical makeup of the paint and it's durability.
type in any car maker in google followed by "paint chipping" and you'll turn up atleast one, if not more thread similiar to this from some whiney owner who thinks they are entitled to something for soft paint. Again, this is not a TOYOTA or FJ CRUISER issue, everyone has this problem, especially if you live in an area where gravel is spread on the roads. My suggestion? Clearbra and don't tailgate if it's that big of an issue. Or use the truck how it's supposed to be used (offroading) and don't worry about what happens to your paint.
Yup! You can paint a turd any color you want and it will still be a turd...only a candy coated one!
What will be the true test is if the '08s have similar problems...my guess is that Toyota will make adjustments and the newer model years will be "new and improved". But only time will tell!
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Jimmy - Stand up and just post a pic of your polka dotted FJ, prove your post with a funny thing you don't seem to understand...evidence. You are the one blowing smoke, have 1st hand evidence but refuse to show it, kind of funny don't you think?
You started the adjunct against the right for others to post here by your statement of "who asked you to...", you do understand english, right? You are unbelievable, I don't think you even own an FJ. Just another poser wanna-be who has nothing else to do but be a pain on this forum.
Have fun...
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Jimmy - Stand up and just post a pic of your polka dotted FJ, prove your post with a funny thing you don't seem to understand...evidence. You are the one blowing smoke, have 1st hand evidence but refuse to show it, kind of funny don't you think?
You started the adjunct against the right for others to post here by your statement of "who asked you to...", you do understand english, right? You are unbelievable, I don't think you even own an FJ. Just another poser wanna-be who has nothing else to do but be a pain on this forum.
Have fun...
MTB,
You actually think that I would waste my time trying to prove anything to you. You think entirely too much about yourself. Get over it. The fact that you even question my ownership is absurd. Why on earth would I spend so much time and effort on cosmetic/windshield issues if I didn't own one. Get real.
The fact of the matter is that I was one of the first owner's here in Colorado. Both CoJeff and Chewy have seen my FJ. If you don't believe me, then PM them. As for me, I wouldn't waste my time trying to prove a damn thing to you. Just thinking that I have anything to prove to you is about the most hysterical thing I've heard all day-Dee, Dee, Dee!
My "who asked you" statement had to do with the fact that Jo2 was willing to make a statement about how our voicing concerns over the crappy paint job effected him. He just assumed from the title of the thread that a class action for paint chips was being formed, when clearly it hasn't. That's why there's a ? at the end of the title. This is why I called him out on his last statement about how this negatively affects owners, which clearly it hasn't. It was an assumption based on a lack of willingness to read how the thread had progressed and thus was a out-of-context comment (IMO).
The fact that people who do not have these problems, yet feel free to chime in with their two cents about why a particular action is not warranted is simply ludicrous. And when this does happen (as it does so frequently) I'll call 'em out on it.
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