Thanks for stepping in...I'm not sure why two guys would go to such lengths to basically call us liars. It hasn't happened for them and I think that's great! I would never wish this experience on anyone. But the fact of the matter is that it has happened to us.
Guess I took all the flaming because I REFUSE to back down from my EXPERIENCES! I may have issues with my FJ, but those guys have issues with anyone who happens to have a different world-view. If you move forward with legal action and my local rep trys to feed me a load of pseudo-scientific garbage, then count me in!
No one is twisting anyone's arm here, but it's clear that some people can't stand the thought that some of the FJs rolled off the line in less then perfect condition.
I'm done mental vollying with these morons. If you have anything you wish to share with me on your journey, please do it via PM. I'd be glad to spear-head something with you or exchange experiences in private.
And to MTB and Tnegiet, PISS OFF X 10! This no longer concerns either of you and your showroom condition FJs.
JHoops...
I think the jig is up... It is time for us to admit that we are actually hummer owners just wasting our time trying to spread rumors about the FJ. They caught us!
These two are douchebags. I love the FJ, but am not enough of a pVssy to just roll over and take it if there is something wrong. Of course all cars have some shortcomings, but there is always someone around that think it is blasphemy to point out such things. I'm sure there are things about the Audi you don't like. There are things about my other cars (won't mention the brands since I've been flamed before for doing that...hurt people's feelings I guess) that I would change, and I have no problem admitting and/or pointing them out.
Those shortcomings didn't stop me from purchasing them, but this paint issue has stopped me from buying another FJ. As I stated before, my wife is looking for a new car, and Toyota is now off the table for the time being. (probably have to explain what a wife is to these two unless they have heard about them before while they are tucked away in their mommas basements)
Anyway, not jumping on the lawsuit thing just yet since it is not my bag, but it is a final option if my patience doesn't pay off. I just think a brand new car should hold up better. Again I'll state, my other vehicles have been on the same roads through the same winters and all look better than the FJ as far as the paint goes. Still fun as h3ll to drive, but I don't want to watch it depreciate even faster than a new car usually does because the body won't hold up.
And for those of you trying to be patient thinking the rust guarantee will force Toyota's hand. The rust warranty is against perferation, which means it will not be surface rust such as will show up in the chips. You will all have to wait until the rust has corroded all of the way through the metal before they will even look at it.
Nobody ever said you didn't have a problem with your FJ...but a few individual cases does not make a "class action" problem. Suck it up and deal with it...
I think the jig is up... It is time for us to admit that we are actually hummer owners just wasting our time trying to spread rumors about the FJ. They caught us!
These two are douchebags. I love the FJ, but am not enough of a pVssy to just roll over and take it if there is something wrong. Of course all cars have some shortcomings, but there is always someone around that think it is blasphemy to point out such things. I'm sure there are things about the Audi you don't like. There are things about my other cars (won't mention the brands since I've been flamed before for doing that...hurt people's feelings I guess) that I would change, and I have no problem admitting and/or pointing them out.
Those shortcomings didn't stop me from purchasing them, but this paint issue has stopped me from buying another FJ. As I stated before, my wife is looking for a new car, and Toyota is now off the table for the time being. (probably have to explain what a wife is to these two unless they have heard about them before while they are tucked away in their mommas basements)
Anyway, not jumping on the lawsuit thing just yet since it is not my bag, but it is a final option if my patience doesn't pay off. I just think a brand new car should hold up better. Again I'll state, my other vehicles have been on the same roads through the same winters and all look better than the FJ as far as the paint goes. Still fun as h3ll to drive, but I don't want to watch it depreciate even faster than a new car usually does because the body won't hold up.
And for those of you trying to be patient thinking the rust guarantee will force Toyota's hand. The rust warranty is against perferation, which means it will not be surface rust such as will show up in the chips. You will all have to wait until the rust has corroded all of the way through the metal before they will even look at it.
Shhh, you're right, I actually own an H2 SUT! But don't tell anyone, that will be our little secret.
But all jokes aside, I agree with your assessment about any vehicles shortcomings-but they usually don't involve body degredation when so much care has been taken to preserve my FJ. I drive it more gingerly then my Audi and it is twice the wear for it.
I'm with you on the law suit front...it should only be used as a last resort in this case. I'll try everything I can by contacting the necessary people in Toyota before moving forward with such action. Twilight gave me some excellent advice about "next steps" (which I forwarded to you in a PM) and I'll start following his advice immediately. But we should compare notes as we move along the corporate path. That makes it easier to weed through the B.S. and make sure they are treating this matter as a genuine concern and not brushing us off as random malcontents. There is definately strength in numbers when taking this approach, and on that note, the forum is a wonderful place to exchange ideas and stratagies.
I'm glad that you agree that this is a problem for some of us and have started a thread to discuss the process of resolving this issue. Like yourself, I wouldn't buy another one unless these issues are resoloved. I don't think at this time, that I could reccomend buying an FJ to a friend in good conscious without discussing the negative aspects (which are few, but major) in addition to the positives (which are many).
In all, I do love my FJ. I fell in love with it the first time I saw it in a magazine (concept vehicle). I never got over having to sell my FJ 40 and the FJC seemed at the time to be a way to fulfill a dream of getting my 40 back.
Hopefully, in time, all will be made right with my FJ and I'll be able to wear my "FJ badge of pride" as some do to excess here on the forum. Believe me, I wish I could be counted in the masses who are very happy with thier FJs. By virtue of this experience, I don't think I'll ever be a disbeliever of anyone who has had a bad experience with a vehicle. And in that sense, I've earned true compassion for those who have had less then stellar experience with their "pride and joy".
__________________ Missin' my FJ 40 But lovin' my FJ Cruiser
You babies go sue Toyota and I'll have to pay more for my diesel FJ next year!!!
Shame on you!!
(This is partially a joke, partially a plea to end the crying. D@MN RIGHT this is an environmental issue. Put a solid sheet of lexan in front of your FJ to stop the ROCKS which are the PROBLEM and no more PAINT CHIPS!!!)
Nobody ever said you didn't have a problem with your FJ...but a few individual cases does not make a "class action" problem. Suck it up and deal with it...
Suck it up and deal with it? Good advice, but pavement princesses with little boo boos are never going to listen. Not until they sue Toyota and raise vehicle prices, all because some rocks hit their FJ's. Remind me again, why it's Toyota fault you drove your FJ in rocks that are suspended in mid-air?
Not to worry, we're going to take care of this without resorting to a law suit for the time being. So don't worry, your diesel FJ will be in your driveway before long at a price you will be comfortable with.
I'm not going to argue with you about the merits of my case, I'll leave that to the folks at Toyota to work out. You can throw all the comical comments you wish at me and I'll still have more skin on my body then my FJ has unblemished paint!
Like most things in life, true compassion comes with the price of experience. If you don't understand our experiences then I wouldn't expect you to, unless you've lived it.
You're a little behind the curve for throwning stones at this point. But on the bright side, you lucky Canadians get a diesel! Guess the oil cartels in the U.S. have too much say over who gets a diesel and who doesn't IMHO.
Can't wait to see the stats on the Diesel FJ! I'm sure they will make all the 07 owners jealous. And maybe if things improve, I'll buy one of those too. Gotta have another FJ for my second home, right? But that's best saved for a different thread.
__________________ Missin' my FJ 40 But lovin' my FJ Cruiser
I've lived with paint chips on my FJ. I've even got a trail scar in the form of a dent. The paint held up extremely well. You should see the dent and you'll be amazed at how well the paint is sticking there.
If you get new paint I will be extremely pleased with Toyota, that is above and beyond what I would ever expect, and I'd never ask for that.
Good luck guys! Maybe my '08 diesel will have super dooper paint along with an invincible turbo diesel powerplant!
I've lived with paint chips on my FJ. I've even got a trail scar in the form of a dent. The paint held up extremely well. You should see the dent and you'll be amazed at how well the paint is sticking there.
If you get new paint I will be extremely pleased with Toyota, that is above and beyond what I would ever expect, and I'd never ask for that.
Good luck guys! Maybe my '08 diesel will have super dooper paint along with an invincible turbo diesel powerplant!
I do hope your '08 diesel is pristine and has a more durable cosmetic improvements over (some) current models.
__________________ Missin' my FJ 40 But lovin' my FJ Cruiser
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