Sure have. And I've been one of those upset people. Which is why I thought - and continue to think - that sharing my positive experience might actually helpful to some of the calmer, thoughtful readers here.
But that is not what is happening. It's nothing personal, just an outside observation.
But that is not what is happening. It's nothing personal, just an outside observation.
Based on PMs and personal conversations, that is smiply not true; my comments and suggestions have been of assistance. A few hotheads who decide I've "sold out" because they're unhappy changes nothing except their own experience.
I am now done with this aspect of this conversation, as its no longer productive. If you do not care to read what I have to report, you kow what to do.
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Take it outside?? Where?? Are you acting like the big man behind the computer screen?! That is a pretty hilarious thing to say on the net! Ok, lets meet in Alaska by a local mudhole and we can duke it out, ok?!
As for the service manager "hearing" about issues...have you not read the many posts in THIS very thread about these managers/regional reps denying the very existence of this fender issue??!! So, just because the managers have not "heard" about it, then it does not exist?? If that is the case, then this whole thread does not exist either because Toyota itself is STILL denying repairs to many FJ owners! Have you not read this whole thread? Is there a TSB? Is there a recall??
Now, you say that Toyota need to look at Homedad's rig...but did you not say earlier that the 3rd gen fender was a permanent fix?? Let me remind you of what YOU wrote:
So, is it safe for me to "assume" that you were indeed "seriously" speculating out of your arse??
As for your airplane link, aren't we talking about cars? Yeah, things are complicated, but i have not heard of a modern car with a fender tear like the FJ...and apparently, you have not either because you gave me a totally unrelated example.
This is one of the dumbest thing that i have read, bar none. Sorry, but what you said here is just pure 100% junk. Are you seriously kidding me?! IT IS THE FREAKING CRUMPLE ZONE OF THE VEHICLE. It is made to deform in any frontal crash that reach the front of the body with forces exceeding what the 5-mph front bumper can handle. What does "mass and material" have to do with anything? Did you know that the engine is supposed to drop down in a crash? So, there goes your "mass"! Therefore, it is one of the FIRST area to react to a significant frontal crash!! I still can't believe what you said above! Oh yeah, i think that puts your (lack of) credibility to rest!
Since you clearly show a lack of understanding about crumple zones, here are two good links for you to read:
Thanks for putting me on your IGNORE list...but i won't to you because i am man enough to back up what i write.
Not as friendly as I would like to see, but you have some real points.
Oh, and just because a manager tells you he/she has not "heard" about it, does not mean that they don't know about it. What would you say if you were them. "Sorry, we sold you junk"?
how many body mounts are under the FJ?
I'm assuming (yeah I know) at least 6...
If the frame is flexing in the front - as some pix of changing gaps between the bumper and body panels indicate - then no amount of design change in the inner fender will prevent the eventual failure.
IMO its a frame problem.... and its being adressed with inner fender band-aids.
I agree 100%. I'm no engineer, but I can't see how the problem could be caused by anything else. When I had my FJ, the rear seats used to creak while driving over uneven dirt roads. Sure, I was able to mask the noise by putting duct tape on the seat latch, but the seats were still moving. Being in the middle of the truck, the seats had to be moving because of frame flex. I mean, what else could be causing it??? If the frame was rigid, nothing would be moving.
Maybe it is the shortened 4runner/GX470 frame that is to blame?? The FJ is based on the short-wheelbase Prado overseas. Apparently, Prados have been having this issue for a while now...but i am not sure if it was isolated to the long-wheelbase or short-wheelbase or both.
Whatever the cause, i do know that the 4runner does not apparently have this problem...yet.
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