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Old 09-26-2007, 05:20 PM   #111 (permalink)
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Re: Busted diff

What good is a warranty when the company won't back it up?
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Old 09-26-2007, 05:35 PM   #112 (permalink)
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Old 09-26-2007, 08:14 PM   #113 (permalink)
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Re: Busted diff

I have taken the time to send Toyota Motor Sales USA.
Here is my letter: (Response follows)
Toyota Motor Sales, U.S.A., Inc.
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Dept. WC11
Torrance, CA 90501

RE: 2006 & 2007 FJ Cruiser Rear Differential Issues

To Whom It May Concern:

I am concerned about the safety and reliability of my 2007 FJ Cruiser. I am uncertain about whether Toyota will stand behind this vehicle and the people who have also purchased FJ Cruisers. In particular, I am seeking reassurance from Toyota Motor Sales, U.S.A., Inc. that the warranty I received when I purchased my brand new 2007 FJ Cruiser will cover the rear differential of my vehicle. Both through written accounts I have read, and through the experiences of friends who also own FJ Cruisers, I have reason to question the reliability of this part. I am asking that you please read my experience detailed below, and let me know how Toyota intends to address this issue and if Toyota is able to continue marketing the FJ Cruiser as a safe, reliable, and capable four-wheel drive off-road vehicle.

On June 27, 2007 I purchased my first Toyota vehicle, a 2007 FJ Cruiser 4x4 from Team Toyota (866-235-3848) in Lithia Springs, Georgia. Shortly after purchasing the vehicle, I joined www.fjcruiserforums.com and I read about possible issues in the rear differential on early models stemming from improper heat treatment of specific components by the manufacturer. All of the accounts by FJ owners showed that the problem was being handled by Toyota in a professional manner, by replacing what was acknowledged as a defective part. The recent experience of one of my friends has been the opposite experience, which has let me to become very concerned about continuing to own a Toyota vehicle. Below is a summary of the events that led to my feelings of concern.

During the weekend of September 7-9, 2007, I had the opportunity to learn about the off-road capabilities of my vehicle first-hand with the East Coast Toyota Trail Team at an event sponsored by my local Toyota Land Cruisers organization. Upon arrival, the Trail Team headed out to preview the trails we would be driving the next day. Within 20 minutes, we got a call on the radio that one of the FJ Cruisers had broken a rear differential and was being towed to Milton Martin Toyota in Gainesville, GA (770-532-4355). The following day, a privately owned FJ Cruiser also broke a rear differential and ended up being towed to the same dealership. This experience provoked discussion about the reliability and durability of the FJ Cruiser. Other owners indicated that they had experienced the same problem in the past, and that Toyota had covered the repairs under warranty because of the known defect in early models of the FJ Cruiser. Though I completed the trails with the help of the Toyota Trail Team’s expertise, I have great concern about the possibility that I could experience a failure of my rear differential on future off-roading expeditions. I am upset because I initially purchased the vehicle after extensively researching many similar vehicles, with the intent of using mine for off-road driving, and felt that the FJ Cruiser was the best of its class.

The following week, we learned from the private owner that Milton Martin Toyota decided that the broken rear differential was from “abuse” and refused to cover the repairs under warranty. The owner indicated that the report was transferred though “Toyota Corporate” and now no dealership is authorized to make repair, including Toyota Mall of Georgia (678-714-0120). I believe a lawsuit is pending.

I understand that this may be an isolated example, but reading about the issues on www.fjcruiserforums.com indicates it may be more widespread than the four cases I experienced and heard about while riding with the East Coast Toyota Trail Team. I have concerns that I could experience problems with the rear differential even while driving in the city, if I drive over a pothole or a rough patch of road. Until I hear back from Toyota, I am garaging my FJ Cruiser (just over 9,000 miles on the odometer) and driving my 1998 Ford Contour.

Respectfully,

Phillip McGinnis

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Dear Mr. McGinnis:

Thank you for contacting Toyota Motor Sales, U.S.A., Inc.

We apologize that you are displeased with the quality of the rear differential on your 2007 FJ Cruiser.

We have checked your VIN (Vehicle Identification Number) and determined that your 2007 FJ Cruiser is currently not involved in any Special Service Campaigns or recalls and there are no Technical Service Bulletins that would address the concerns you describe.

The warranty coverage for the rear differential is 5 years or 60,000 miles, whichever comes first from the vehicle’s date of first use which is 06/21/2007. Once the vehicle is outside of these warranty guidelines the cost of repairs becomes the owner’s responsibility.

Determination of warranty coverage is done by a Toyota dealership inspection of the vehicle. The warranty is in effect unless the dealership determines that the cause of a particular concern is not caused by the manufacturer.

We understand your time is valuable and we want to assure you that your feedback will be used to review and improve our products. It is through correspondence such as yours that we become aware of the reactions and expectations of our customers.

We also invite you to review our Warranty Coverage FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) regarding the warranty parameters for your vehicle.

Your email has been documented at our National Headquarters under file #(Edited). If we can be of further assistance, please feel free to contact us.

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Old 09-26-2007, 08:18 PM   #114 (permalink)
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Re: Busted diff

Second email to Toyota Motor Sales USA

Here is my letter:
I would like to talk to someone regarding the pictures posted on the Toyota.com website showing the FJ Cruiser in off-road situations.

The vehicle is advertised as being capable of the images shown, however the dealerships in my area (Atlanta, GA) are indicating that if the vehicle is taken off-road the warranty will be void on the _entire vehicle_. Is this true?

Please contact: Milton Martin Toyota, Toyota Mall of Georgia, World Toyota, Team Toyota, and Toyota of Roswell to verify my statements.

I will provide first and last names of the general managers for each of the dealerships I listed at a later date.

Please have someone contact me.

Phillip McGinnis

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Dear Mr. McGinnis:

Thank you for contacting Toyota Motor Sales, U.S.A., Inc.

We appreciate the opportunity to address your inquiry.

As Toyota website stated, the FJ Cruiser is designed as an off-road vehicle.

Driving your FJ Cruiser off-road does not automatically void your warranty but any component damaged by the off-road driving or performance problems resulting from the off-road driving would not be covered.

Determination of warranty coverage is done by a Toyota dealership inspection of the vehicle. The warranty is in effect unless the dealership determines that the cause of a particular concern is not caused by the manufacturer.

If you would like to discuss your specific concerns in more detail by phone, we recommend you contact our Customer Experience Center directly, by calling 800-331-4331. Our normal hours are from 5:00am to 6:00pm Pacific Time, Monday through Friday and 7:00am to 4:00pm on Saturday. Any representative will be able to assist you.

Your email has been documented at our National Headquarters under file #(Edited). If we can be of further assistance, please feel free to contact us.

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Old 09-26-2007, 08:23 PM   #115 (permalink)
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Re: Busted diff

So my take on Toyota's Response is this.

"Mr. McGinnis, the FJ Cruiser is designed to be driven off road, but if ANYTHING breaks, you are not covered by warranty. To keep Toyota from having to repair anything under warranty, we have allowed the dealerships to make the decision for us. If they decide to look at the vehicle from behind a desk and make an external observation, then so be it. Toyota stands behind it's dealerships and the customer is always wrong. Thank you for buying a Toyota!
Have a nice day.

Oh, and please be sure to fill out your customer satisfaction survey you'll receive in the mail."
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Re: Busted diff

Typical Corporate America canned response b.s.

This is my 1st Toyota and it is looking more and more like my last. What a shame.
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Second email to Toyota Motor Sales USA

Here is my letter:
I would like to talk to someone regarding the pictures posted on the Toyota.com website showing the FJ Cruiser in off-road situations.

The vehicle is advertised as being capable of the images shown, however the dealerships in my area (Atlanta, GA) are indicating that if the vehicle is taken off-road the warranty will be void on the _entire vehicle_. Is this true?

Please contact: Milton Martin Toyota, Toyota Mall of Georgia, World Toyota, Team Toyota, and Toyota of Roswell to verify my statements.

I will provide first and last names of the general managers for each of the dealerships I listed at a later date.

Please have someone contact me.

Phillip McGinnis

Toyota's Response:
Dear Mr. McGinnis:

Thank you for contacting Toyota Motor Sales, U.S.A., Inc.

We appreciate the opportunity to address your inquiry.

As Toyota website stated, the FJ Cruiser is designed as an off-road vehicle.

Driving your FJ Cruiser off-road does not automatically void your warranty but any component damaged by the off-road driving or performance problems resulting from the off-road driving would not be covered.

Determination of warranty coverage is done by a Toyota dealership inspection of the vehicle. The warranty is in effect unless the dealership determines that the cause of a particular concern is not caused by the manufacturer.

If you would like to discuss your specific concerns in more detail by phone, we recommend you contact our Customer Experience Center directly, by calling 800-331-4331. Our normal hours are from 5:00am to 6:00pm Pacific Time, Monday through Friday and 7:00am to 4:00pm on Saturday. Any representative will be able to assist you.

Your email has been documented at our National Headquarters under file #(Edited). If we can be of further assistance, please feel free to contact us.

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Re: Busted diff

This is really disappointing. Unfortunately, with the exception of the already grenaded FJs, I'm probably one of the people that feels the effect of this alleged "defect" the most. Unlike a lot of you guys, I'm not of age to drive any kind of rental (I'm 20) and I don't have the free cash to be able to get the FJ drivable again if something similar were to happen to me while exploring the business behind getting reimbursed.

The unfortunate reality for me is that until Toyota comes up with some kind of resolution to this problem, I can't take my FJ off-pavement. As mucked up as it is with mud and at the looks of my stock skids, if something were to happen at this point, even on road, I'd probably be without any kind of solution to this problem other than to tow it and wait until something gives. I've just started school (better late than never) and can't afford to lose my transportation. What else can I do?

It's rough knowing that, effectively, I can't use my truck for the second most important purpose I bought it - to wheel.

I'm really hoping to hear something positive soon. Good luck with all the arbitration/litigation, guys. Let me know if you organize a rally and I'll be there in full force.
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Re: Busted diff

Sounds like we need to start a letter writing campaign or all start inundating the customer service call center with complaints about this early production part warranting a recall.

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