I wouldn't expect members to pony up their rigs. I'd expect the vendors to do this. To much liability if you ask me. I've had a sh'tty day at work sorry if I sound pissy. I am =).
This will have to take a group effort. Pick a trail that's challenging but not risky. Exercise common sense and caution. I think it's entirely possible to expect that from the members. With a couple of experienced trail bosses, it shouldn't be too dangerous or risky.
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now we are getting into driver area
because most guys are not going to be able to tell as they are not going to have the skills to push them. Most guys are going to be still figuring out lines in rocks and stuff, I could push a FJC with any suspension and make it outshine another by choosing the line I wanted to. What you do, is you look for design purpose, and then look at build purpose. Then go match it. I honestly believe most guys on this board are better off with suspensions they did not choose, but then who am I to tell them how to spend the money.
I will tell you this, Come follow me around and at the end of the day tell me what you did not like about your stock suspension, then we go somewhere else and do the same, so on an so on till you figure it out, What you will figure out is what you like to do, not which suspension is best. then match to that goal. I watched a FJ with a set of DRs do a rock trail this weekend and he raved about the suspension. I am sure he would have raved about a All Pro or OME suspension in the same place. I do not think he sees a reason to question it as it is such a great improvement over stock, However, I know from having pushed each type of suspension, I would rather have the all pro there.
Look at this
OME, just a great and well designed all around setup
All Pro, designed for the tough stuff when things get rough
DR, designed for the desert style racing
on road all will offer a better ride, off road each has it's place and we know it already, however till you really learn how to push a rig offroad and have the experience to do it with ease, you could probly never tell the difference between the 3 except where they shine.
thats why I say get 3 or 4 people to do all the driving of each setup on each type of terrian.
I would put mine up but I only have DR fronts and will probly mix the rear up.
as for a place fish creek / sandstone canyon would probly work great as it offers a lot of stuff.
But one thing I thing we wont realy see that most wont ever deel with is shock fade in the desert type stuff, last weekend in baja when you are running none stop for 120 miles(we stoped for eats) you will see shocks begin to handle diffrently/fade as the oil gets to hot. I now that the DR's held up very well and I didn't get much fad. As for the stock rear they were done after 15 miles.
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thats why I say get 3 or 4 people to do all the driving of each setup on each type of terrian.
I would put mine up but I only have DR fronts and will probly mix the rear up.
as for a place fish creek / sandstone canyon would probly work great as it offers a lot of stuff.
But one thing I thing we wont realy see that most wont ever deel with is shock fade in the desert type stuff, last weekend in baja when you are running none stop for 120 miles(we stoped for eats) you will see shocks begin to handle diffrently/fade as the oil gets to hot. I now that the DR's held up very well and I didn't get much fad. As for the stock rear they were done after 15 miles.
adding more subjectivity:
I was out in AB two weeks ago. I ran the entire day and no shock fade from the WEs up front. My rear was not bad thanks to a 30% stiffer spring and some revtek shocks. I'm saving for rear res. shocks and I'll be set.
I was out in AB two weeks ago. I ran the entire day and no shock fade from the WEs up front. My rear was not bad thanks to a 30% stiffer spring and some revtek shocks. I'm saving for rear res. shocks and I'll be set.
But were you pushing it hard the hole time or was some of it rock crawling
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__________________ "Because in the end it has almost nothing to do with the bike and everything to do with setting
out to accomplish something that is intimidating, that is unknown to you, something you know you
have a good chance of failing at but doing it anyways and slowly but surely proving yourself wrong." Mike Ambs
www.corva.org "Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
- Thomas Paine
first off Froggy, I never said they would not handle it,
I said the DRs are better and I will stand behind that
it is in the basic design of the shock
WEs are of a progressive valve design
DRs are of a Digressive vavle design
what that means is the faster you push the DRs the softer they are to become, and for that reason they can work faster to asorb the motion of fast running
The WEs will not react as much as they are design to energy in that many, but to stop it faster, a rougher ride at speed than the DRs.
either will kick a stock shock because of design
now because of this, the WE is a more stable design when hutting larger obsticles at slow speed and will dampen much faster than the DR, so when you jump up on the Larger rocks, not those little basket ball size ones but the ones like this,
the WEs are going dampen sooner that the Drs and let the motion of the body be less, hence less Bangs.
Now when you take that as the WEs suck in the desert you are not listening, Ask Terry, he will tell you that the DRs will out perform the WEs at speed in the desert. He will also tell you for 90 percent of the wheeling out there the WEs will out perform the DRs. He will also tell you most guys will never push the rig hard enuff to tell the difference.
I by any means have no brand loyalty, look at my set ups of my rigs, one jeep set up to pound rocks, one FJC set up to run the desert, both with 2 different approaches to suspension technology including the Shock valving, and to tell you the truth, I am about to rip the DRs out from under the FJC and replace it with the All Pro set up.
Do not ever blind yourself to a loyalty based on purchase choice. I have a 2900 dollar basic lift under the Jeep that can be out performed by a 1300 dollar lift in the desert. I know that for a fact, have owned both, but it is design purpose that made me change one for another.
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