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Re: New Colorado Offroad Law signed
You forgot the part regarding outsiders.. As the sport grows the locals want fewer and fewer outsiders as well; again human nature.. Ron
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1 Bored Clerk previously said:
I'm sure funding was set aside with this law to post signs at all trails listing whether they are open or closed. And I'm positive that if we all practiced 'tread-lightly' that these issues would simply cease to exist.
The people that push for this type of legislation don't want any vehicles off of pavement...at all. Treading lightly is responsible and should be done but it's not going to stop the push for closing public lands to any and all motorized vehicles.
It's always surprising to me that people think everyone will act with common sense, courtesy, and consideration for others. Self-preservation, jealousy, greed...those are base human nature. Not that other warm and fuzzy stuff. Many of us practice that stuff on a daily basis but we are still all motivated by the basics.
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From comments like the above....people just DO NOT get it.
If it is closed unless posted open.....guess what? The vast majority of all legal rights of way (including the trails you and I use) are going to be closed.
It's not an effort to "protect" land....it's an effort to close land to motorized use.
Sean
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RockyMtnHigh previously said:
Seriously though this is the way I see it or read into it. This is just one seemingly small step toward that goal in my eyes, just couldn't word it right. Thanks Sean!
I hope I am wrong though!
Sorry guys, but after living in Colorado for 35+ years and wheeling and traveling in the back country for 20 of those, I do get it. The unfortunate reality is that the irresponsible few relegate the responsible majority to living with laws that cater to the lowest common denominator.
Apparently I'm not alone:
"House bill 1069 found broad support across a spectrum of groups, including off-road vehicle users, environmentalists and wildlife conservationists."
"HB 1069 will allow state peace officers to enforce illegal incursions by off highway vehicles – such as ATVs – on to federal land. For the first time it also creates penalties for anyone found guilty of violating closed areas and trails. Enforcement will be incidental; when an officer happens upon a violation, he can enforce the law. Subsequently, it will not increase the work load of state officers."
...... The unfortunate reality is that the irresponsible few relegate the responsible majority to living with laws that cater to the lowest common denominator.......
X2!! This is why you see the OHV community organize frequent clean up efforts (Calico and others) because the many good OHV users get a black eye from the few PIGs which results in trail closures or restrictions.
I'm sure funding was set aside with this law to post signs at all trails listing whether they are open or closed
yes allocate more money to an already under funded system. more money to make the signs. how long will it take them to mark the trials that are open? so until then you are fair game to a peace officer untill the state/BLM gets around to posting stuff on these trails. I agree with sensible use of the land but this just puts the responsible people out. the jerks will continue to do what they always have done reguardless of a 100 or 200 dollar fine.
yes allocate more money to an already under funded system. more money to make the signs. how long will it take them to mark the trials that are open? so until then you are fair game to a peace officer untill the state/BLM gets around to posting stuff on these trails. I agree with sensible use of the land but this just puts the responsible people out. the jerks will continue to do what they always have done reguardless of a 100 or 200 dollar fine.
Please READ!
"ENFORCEMENT OF THIS SECTION WITHIN AN ADMINISTRATIVE UNIT OF FEDERAL PUBLIC LAND SHALL NOT COMMENCE UNTIL THE CONTROLLING LAND MANAGEMENT AGENCY IDENTIFIES WHETHER A ROUTE IS AVAILABLE FOR MOTORIZED TRAVEL BY MAPS, ROUTE MARKERS, OR SIGNS THAT ARE AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC AND PROVIDE INFORMATION TO DETERMINE WHETHER THE ROUTE IS AUTHORIZED."
"ENFORCEMENT OF THIS SECTION WITHIN AN ADMINISTRATIVE UNIT OF FEDERAL PUBLIC LAND SHALL NOT COMMENCE UNTIL THE CONTROLLING LAND MANAGEMENT AGENCY IDENTIFIES WHETHER A ROUTE IS AVAILABLE FOR MOTORIZED TRAVEL BY MAPS, ROUTE MARKERS, OR SIGNS THAT ARE AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC AND PROVIDE INFORMATION TO DETERMINE WHETHER THE ROUTE IS AUTHORIZED."
And that will NOT be possible until detailed RMPs, route inventories, biological assessment, EAs, etc are completed.....years down the road and with the environmental slant land agencies are taking, you are completely GAMBLING that this won't result in MASSIVE closures.
There's your forewarning. Do with it as you please.
Sean
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I'm sure your tunes will change when you are prohibited from traveling your favorite trails
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Sean K. previously said:
And that will NOT be possible until detailed RMPs, route inventories, biological assessment, EAs, etc are completed.....years down the road and with the environmental slant land agencies are taking, you are completely GAMBLING that this won't result in MASSIVE closures.
There's your forewarning. Do with it as you please.
Sean
Yeah. I never saw any of this coming... I'm glad you've got it all figured out for me. I guess I just don't appreciate the wilderness as much as the next guy, despite a willingness to sacrifice the ability to drive over it. I'm content to enjoy the privilege I have now and save the right to walk on it for my feet.
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