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Old 06-11-2007, 02:12 PM   #51 (permalink)
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Snobbish....not even close!
Ive removed the FJs "transistor radio "and "pa speakers".
Ive hired musicians to play live from the back seat and I have no gps unit......I have hired an Indian Scout to lead my way.
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Old 06-14-2007, 03:48 PM   #52 (permalink)
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you have no clue. you really should stay out of it.
Oh? Why don't you tell the class what you think a "neo motor" is.
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Old 06-14-2007, 04:26 PM   #53 (permalink)
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Oh? Why don't you tell the class what you think a "neo motor" is.
i dont feel like going through the trouble, so here it is complements of google:

some of this is specific to this companies drivers, but it gives you an idea of the neo motor design

What You Need to Know about Neo

Neodymium, or Neo, is the new buzzword among speaker manufacturers, and well it should be. Neodymium is an extremely lightweight, yet highly magnetic material that some believe will revolutionize the speaker industry. The advantages of a highly sensitive, lightweight driver in musical instrument amplification are obvious. The EA NL-210 weighs in at a mere 44 lbs. This represents a savings of 38 pounds from our CxL-210. One main reason is the reduction in weight provided by the neodymium drivers. Each magnet in the NL-210 weighs in at a mere 7 ounces compared to the CxL-210’s massive 105-ounce magnets. The savings of 196 ounces (12.25 pounds) is just the start. Additionally, a speaker frame holding 7-ounce magnet does not need the same heft of one holding a 105-ounce magnet. Finally the use of imported Poplar plywood as opposed to Baltic Birch for the cabinet construction represents a further reduction in weight. The use of imported Poplar is for another discussion, let’s get back to the discussion of Neodymium.

This revolutionary material comes with some serious application issues. Issues that EA is uniquely qualified to address. Neodymium is highly sensitive. Unfortunately, their sensitivity diminishes with heat. Neodymium magnets that have suffered heat fatigue are permanently damaged. Secondly, compared to other driver types, some Neo drivers have an “ugly” midrange hump at about 600hz (midrange). EA’s proprietary design of Kevlar 10” neodymium drivers has all but reduced these issue that others continue to face. The EA Neodymium drivers employ an aluminum heat sink with a center phasor that cools the motor structure and smoothes the speaker response. EA Neodymium drivers have specially designed kapton voice coils and are power rated between 250 to 300 watts. The motor structure has been optimized to maintain a symmetrical magnetic field for extremely low distortion. The EA voice coil assembly utilizes copper clad aluminum wire yielding a design that has the ideal compromise between reliability and lightweight. The longer winding length of our Neo voice coil assemblies provide a longer linear excursion that translates into a more controlled low end. Finally, the Kevlar cone that is used on our Neo driver is both stronger and has a smoother response than the industry standard paper cones.

Finally, Neodymium is difficult to work with. The added difficulties and the relative rarity of Neodymium contribute to the added expense of Neo drivers as compared to conventional drivers. The reduction in price over the past few years has made Neodymium feasible to use in Musical Instrument applications and EA is uniquely qualified to bring out the best in Neo.
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Old 06-14-2007, 04:32 PM   #54 (permalink)
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Weren't those the same last words of George Armstrong Custer
Actually I believe his last words were "Holy crap that's a lot of indians.

I believe his next words were "MOMMY !!!! IT ISN'T RIGHT"


Isn't it ironic that ARROGANCE was his downfall?

Score one for the good guys !
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Old 06-14-2007, 09:30 PM   #55 (permalink)
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for what it's worth, I will be installing a 7" and 1" in the door and leaving the dash speakers out of the equation all together.....

This will not hurt the imaging, in fact it might improve the imaging. Mounting tweeters in the dash and the mids almost 3 feet away isn't the best method for getting a decent sound. Placing the mid and tweet as close to each other as possible is the better method. This is why they make point source speakers with the tweeter where the dust cap would normally be.

As far as the imaging in cars is concerned, the farther away from your ears the speaker are, the better the imaging. This is because the path lengths from the speakers to each ear become more equal with more distance. This is why most sound competition cars are putting the mids and tweets down in the kick panels.

If you put the tweets in the dash you now have the drivers side tweeter roughly 3 feet from the drivers ear, and the passenger tweeter almost 5. Not exactly equal path length...Putting them lower (such as the door or the kick panel) makes it better but not perfect.

Now most of you are thinking... but if you put the speakers down low in the doors, the sound will sound like it's coming from the footwell. Not neccessarily. Just know this, your ears are set up on your head to locate left to right, not up and down. Paradigm speakers out of Canada did an experiment years ago where they mounted speakers at floor level, and at the ceiling level. Nobody could locate the speakers as being up or down in a blind listening test.
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yeah all OEM stuff sucks pretty much! just look at the sub looks like garbage. i mean it sounds decent. but ya pretty much garbage!
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they reaaly arent that bad. the neo motor design isnt a bad setup.
I agree, the sound isn't bad at all in combination with the other 7 speakers.
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for what it's worth, I will be installing a 7" and 1" in the door and leaving the dash speakers out of the equation all together.....

This will not hurt the imaging, in fact it might improve the imaging. Mounting tweeters in the dash and the mids almost 3 feet away isn't the best method for getting a decent sound. Placing the mid and tweet as close to each other as possible is the better method. This is why they make point source speakers with the tweeter where the dust cap would normally be.

As far as the imaging in cars is concerned, the farther away from your ears the speaker are, the better the imaging. This is because the path lengths from the speakers to each ear become more equal with more distance. This is why most sound competition cars are putting the mids and tweets down in the kick panels.

If you put the tweets in the dash you now have the drivers side tweeter roughly 3 feet from the drivers ear, and the passenger tweeter almost 5. Not exactly equal path length...Putting them lower (such as the door or the kick panel) makes it better but not perfect.

Now most of you are thinking... but if you put the speakers down low in the doors, the sound will sound like it's coming from the footwell. Not neccessarily. Just know this, your ears are set up on your head to locate left to right, not up and down. Paradigm speakers out of Canada did an experiment years ago where they mounted speakers at floor level, and at the ceiling level. Nobody could locate the speakers as being up or down in a blind listening test.
realistically, kicks are the best solution, but not practical for many people.
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