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Old 08-27-2006, 01:24 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Pioneer AVIC-Z1: Early Thoughts / Review

I've had the Z1 less than 24 hours, and already I've got a pile of stuff to ***** about.

Picked the unit up along with the Sirius and iPod adaptor.

Let's start with the good. It's a lot of fun, the inboard hard drive means you don't have to keep those map DVDs loaded, it's got every feature you could want, the GPS and nav features are excellent (though not without quirks, of course), the overall sound is excellent (especially compared to the FJammer - barf), voice recognition is great, and watching DVDs while waiting in the parking lot for my wife to get back is just what the doctor ordered.

Now, for the stuff that isn't so hot - and some items that just downright piss me off:

SECURITY
None. Nada. There isn't even a cover plate that comes with it, or offered by a 3rd party vendor.

SIRIUS
Ugg. Horrible interface. Before I continue let's just get something clear right from the get-go: Pioneer has a contractual relationship with XM, and that is why the XM interface is so much better. It has nothing to do with Sirius, or the adaptor itself. XM simply warrants better treatment; no doubt demanding as much from Pioneer. So what's the problem? There are many:

The graphics just suck. There's no combination Artist and Song Title that scrolls across the screen. You can have one, but not both. Song, Artist, station number, and station name are all displayed in one little text area. You have to press an onscreen DISP button to switch between the text info. Blah. That's horrible. There's a big ole' SIRIUS graphic that is always on, and that's probably where they had planned to display all the info correctly prior to XM signing the deal, haha.

No signal strength indicator. C'mon. Even the tiniest piece of S%^T Sirius radio has signal strength and better song, artist, and station display info.

I'm wrong on any of this info, please let me know. I'd love to be proven otherwise, believe me....

iPod
A travesty. It's criminal, really, how sucky the iPod integration is with Pioneer. My God. There are only 2 problems, really, but boy are they doozies.

Problem #1: Selecting your music. You hit a search button, and then choose by artist, song, etc. No matter what you choose, you'd better pull off to the side of the road because it's going to take you a long time to get to the 'N' artist list. I'm not kidding here. It took me 5 minutes to get to Neko Case. Horrible. I mean, honestly. This would be such an easy fix: At the top of the screen, give me an alphabet chart to select the first letter of the artist. Can they make it faster? Not sure. I'm not certain where the problem lies. It's probably the equivalent of a USB 2.0 connection, so maybe it's a software thing? If it's a slow connection, therein lies the problem. Regardless, an alpha selector at the top is the way to go. iPod music is my life, and right now the unit is just worthless in my truck.

The only solution, for now, is to definitely stick with playlists. Short playlists of your favorites.

Problem #2
Let's say you finally get to that artist and tune you wanted, and away you go. You're listening to Shock the Monkey from Gabriel's Security album, and want to go one menu back to an album song listing. Forget it.

You need to go through the entire artist search again. If I'm missing something here - if someone knows a way to always go one menu depth back, lemme know.

Voice recognition may have solved this crap, but it doesn't work with the iPods.

Those two problems alone make iPod adaption a joke with the Pioneer units.


GPS
Here's where the unit really shines, but I've got some gripes:

Right out of the box, the accuracy is off. That's normal, they say, until the unit gets smarter. It needs to apparently know - over a period of time - your driving habits, where you are, how fast you go, blah blah blah. All I know is that my $400 handheld Garmin V unit is dead on accurate. I'm going to give this thing 2 weeks, and if my location is still 100ft off, I'm taking the whole thing back. Remember, accuracy counts.

What's that river over there? Is that Lake Geneva? I wonder what railroad line this is? You'll forever be asking those questions with this unit. This is nearly a deal breaker for me, believe it or not. I'm a bit of a railfan, and like to know who's tracks I'm crossing. When you move the cursor over tracks, rivers, lakes, etc only the closest road info is displayed. That's crap. Again, my 2 year old Garmin has better info.

Satellite strength should be accessible by one onscreen button. You shouldn't have to go 3 or 4 menus deep in order to check.

No latitude/longitude info. Maybe it's buried deep in some menu nest, but I can't find it.

Mute
There's no mute button on the Z1. C'mon. Jeesh. You can mute by selecting SOURCE and then OFF, but how about just a mute. $2500 and no mute button? Zzzzzz.

Manual
The manual is just junk. Man oh man. Pioneer, I've got one suggestion for you. I'm going to type this slowly so you can follow along with me:

Alphabetical index at the back of manuals is a good thing. Not having one is a bad thing. Having to search endlessly for any particular topic is a pain in my backside.


Well, there you have it. Plenty of *****in on my part. Is it worth the money? The jury is out. If I'm wrong on any of this stuff, please let me know. I'll sleep better.

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Old 08-27-2006, 11:34 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Those are all valid complaints.
The ipod interface works like all Pioneer interfaces, slow. Unlike the library, if you don't hit the selection and hit the first song, it stays with what you are listening to and goes back to that screen. Then you have to go through the enitre thing again. I have talked to our product specialist several times when he has been in my store regarding this and their ipod interface.
The XM interface does have more displayed info, but in Sirius mode if you hit the display button it shows station name/artist/title. I can live without the cowboy hat picture on country stations, or the guitar on rock. I have both XM and Sirius on mine so I went out and comapred them.
The lack of a mute definately sucks.
The nav will calibrate and is very acurate. It would be nice to have waterways and railroads marked, not sure if it is in the mapping database they use. Would be worth bringing up to the product specialists. They actually do listen to dealer feedback.
I agree, there are things I don't like about the Z1. However, for me the good outweighs the bad. Playlists on the Ipod and bluetooth interface for the mute work for me. Now that the bluetooth units are finally available.
It is an expensive piece, but if you compare all the features to other products out there, the Z1 is not over priced. Take an Alpine IVA-W200 add an NVE-872A nav system and you're crowding 3k, with an outboard DVD driven navigation.
Just my .02$
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Re: Pioneer AVIC-Z1: Early Thoughts / Review

i'd go with the alpine and a handheld gps IMHO, thats what im planing on doing when get some cash
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I have the D1 and I love it. The Nav is spot on... to the foot. The XM Radio interface is excellent (I don't need no stinkin' Sirius) and I don't use an iPod since I have XM and a DVD player which plays 8Gb of my MP3/WMAs through the unit.

And the no-mute thing is annoying, but you can simply press and hold the SRC button for a second and it will stop audio. One button process this way. I've been very happy with the XM Nav-Traffic, the instant traffic button, AND...

the coolest thing this receiver does that I don't believe Alpine or the others have is the ability to hit the MEMO button and save songs you like onto the favorites list, with the unit alerting you anytime that song comes on any of the 200 channels. This is a fantastic use of technology that I've never seen on any other unit. How else would you know if 'Social Distortion's Ball and Chain' is playing on any channel? Sweet function.

I see your gripes, but for the price (and I didn't blow the dough on the Z1 because the Nav on DVD or HD makes no difference to me) it is an excellent unit.

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Those are all valid complaints.
The ipod interface works like all Pioneer interfaces, slow. Unlike the library, if you don't hit the selection and hit the first song, it stays with what you are listening to and goes back to that screen. Then you have to go through the enitre thing again. I have talked to our product specialist several times when he has been in my store regarding this and their ipod interface.
The XM interface does have more displayed info, but in Sirius mode if you hit the display button it shows station name/artist/title. I can live without the cowboy hat picture on country stations, or the guitar on rock. I have both XM and Sirius on mine so I went out and comapred them.
The lack of a mute definately sucks.
The nav will calibrate and is very acurate. It would be nice to have waterways and railroads marked, not sure if it is in the mapping database they use. Would be worth bringing up to the product specialists. They actually do listen to dealer feedback.
I agree, there are things I don't like about the Z1. However, for me the good outweighs the bad. Playlists on the Ipod and bluetooth interface for the mute work for me. Now that the bluetooth units are finally available.
It is an expensive piece, but if you compare all the features to other products out there, the Z1 is not over priced. Take an Alpine IVA-W200 add an NVE-872A nav system and you're crowding 3k, with an outboard DVD driven navigation.
Just my .02$
Say, have you heard anything about Pioneer updating their iPod interface soon? I keep running across rumor posts on the net.

Also, I wonder if it's possible to wire the FJ's AUX for the iPod into one of the Z1's external inputs? Thoughts? That would solve my iPod problem.
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I hear what you guys are saying, but for me it gets down to this:

For $2000+ dollars everything should work. Perfectly. If I bought a new Sony Vaio laptop, I'd not only expect it to perform flawlessly in every respect, but also work extremely well with add-ons.

The GPS location is just plain off. I've manually corrected my location while parked, but it seems as though you have to do that everytime you start-up. They say that because the system is 'learning' the location accuracy is going to be off for awhile? What? Huh? GPS is the core function of this unit, and for $2000+ it should work friggin perfectly right out of the box.

The problem here is simple: The all-in-one technology is too new. There's a boatload of quirks and bugs, and early buyers like us are essentially funding the R&D to fix that crap.

The iPod adaptor just crapped out on me this morning. Resetting the iPod doesn't fix it. LOL.

I'm basically going to have the unit removed, get my money refunded, and the FJammer put back in. I'll leave the Sirius unit installed, and just use the Aux input for the iPod.

I'll keep track of the marketplace, though. These bugs and bad interfacing will be worked out over time, and I'll make another purchase then.
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Hey there,

If you are going to sell any of the items let me know. I didnt think once you installed stuff you could return it.

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I hear what you guys are saying, but for me it gets down to this:

For $2000+ dollars everything should work. Perfectly. If I bought a new Sony Vaio laptop, I'd not only expect it to perform flawlessly in every respect, but also work extremely well with add-ons.

The GPS location is just plain off. I've manually corrected my location while parked, but it seems as though you have to do that everytime you start-up. They say that because the system is 'learning' the location accuracy is going to be off for awhile? What? Huh? GPS is the core function of this unit, and for $2000+ it should work friggin perfectly right out of the box.

The problem here is simple: The all-in-one technology is too new. There's a boatload of quirks and bugs, and early buyers like us are essentially funding the R&D to fix that crap.

The iPod adaptor just crapped out on me this morning. Resetting the iPod doesn't fix it. LOL.

I'm basically going to have the unit removed, get my money refunded, and the FJammer put back in. I'll leave the Sirius unit installed, and just use the Aux input for the iPod.

I'll keep track of the marketplace, though. These bugs and bad interfacing will be worked out over time, and I'll make another purchase then.
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If you are going to sell any of the items let me know. I didnt think once you installed stuff you could return it.

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SMART. Sometimes it pays to pay a bit more for this type of security. I still plan on a Z1 but wish you luck in your search.

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Say, have you heard anything about Pioneer updating their iPod interface soon? I keep running across rumor posts on the net.

Also, I wonder if it's possible to wire the FJ's AUX for the iPod into one of the Z1's external inputs? Thoughts? That would solve my iPod problem.
You can run the FJ Aux input into the AVIC-Z1 with a CD-RB10 Pioneer P-Bus aux input adapter. You just need to solder RCA's onto the back of the input plug on the console.

Once it calibrates the NAV will be spot on.

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