So, will this front / rear setup pair well together?
Front - All-Pro adustable front coils with reservoir, without the Upper A-Arms.
Rear - All-Pro 2" Coil Spacer lift.
I want to eventually run Nitto Terra Grappler 295/70/17s. I'm thinking I will not need a full 3" of lift for where I'm planning to take the FJ, and I like the adjustable height/compression/dampening of the All-Pro fronts.
My reasoning for going with the spacer kit in the rear is that the All-Pro shock/coil rear system is not height adjustable anyway, plus it's 15% stiffer than stock (not really looking for more stiffness).
My main concern is that the stock rear stiffness may be too soft compared to the spring rates in the fronts. Any thoughts?
FYI, when they say 3" lift, it means that the front is a 3" lift, the rear is just level to the front which ends up being just a tad over 2". wether you get the spacers or the springs and shocks, your rear will be the same hight, the only difference is the performance. even though the springs say they are 15% stiffer, they dont feel like it because it is a bigger spring and it will ride softer than stock. the spacers will make it stiffer because you are 2 more inches in there but not 2 more inches of spring. IMO, get the rear springs and shocks, it will be a much more comfortable ride. my rear springs are 30% stiffer than stock, but the ride is 50X better than the stock ride. and you get virtually NO body roll on turns compared to stock. for the front you should get the upper a-arms IMO, it will help a lot with your allignement.
call up all pro and talk to them about it and gather ALL the info possible before you buy anything
-mike
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FYI, when they say 3" lift, it means that the front is a 3" lift, the rear is just level to the front which ends up being just a tad over 2". wether you get the spacers or the springs and shocks, your rear will be the same hight, the only difference is the performance. even though the springs say they are 15% stiffer, they dont feel like it because it is a bigger spring and it will ride softer than stock. the spacers will make it stiffer because you are 2 more inches in there but not 2 more inches of spring. IMO, get the rear springs and shocks, it will be a much more comfortable ride. my rear springs are 30% stiffer than stock, but the ride is 50X better than the stock ride. and you get virtually NO body roll on turns compared to stock. for the front you should get the upper a-arms IMO, it will help a lot with your allignement.
call up all pro and talk to them about it and gather ALL the info possible before you buy anything
-mike
I agree w/ all of this an dwhat i would have said
I'm doing the same front but am puting the ome rear med duty on. this is how rockrawler had his set up before he had the rear ap kit
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even though the springs say they are 15% stiffer, they dont feel like it because it is a bigger spring and it will ride softer than stock. the spacers will make it stiffer because you are 2 more inches in there but not 2 more inches of spring. IMO, get the rear springs and shocks, it will be a much more comfortable ride. my rear springs are 30% stiffer than stock, but the ride is 50X better than the stock ride. and you get virtually NO body roll on turns compared to stock.
Thanks, Mike. That's exactly the kind of info I was looking for!
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ididntdoit5150 previously said:
for the front you should get the upper a-arms IMO, it will help a lot with your allignement.
-mike
Normally, I would agree with you, but I remember reading this post in another thread, which is why I was leaning towards the stock uppers.
Just to clarify, the upper a-arms are not required for alignment issues on US spec FJ's, they ARE required for Canadian models. For some reason Toyota used two different arms for the US market, the FJ and 4 Runner got arms that have the same geometry as the aftermarket arms, but the Tacoma got the straight arms at the ball joint area that causes them to bind when lifted and pul the camber way out of whack. Canadians got boned and got the Taco arms on the FJ, so they have to swap them for anything more than about 1.5" front lift.
The Chromoly arms DO however give you added strength from a tubular design vs. the OEM "C" shaped setup, the urethane bushings deflect less but last longer (but are harder & tend to squeak more when not lubed, but we provide zerk fittings for grease) and the Uniball requires monthly oiling to kep squeaks down. It is a straight bolt through the uniball instead of a tapered fit that stays tight, so slight rattles are possible, but they are replacable when worn at $49 each.
We are also just discovering that Canada also got longer rear lower shock studs on the axle that cause play at the bushing. The US spec FJ's have each side of the lower shock bushing touching a washer when installed, but the CDN models have a 1/2" gap at one end that lets the shock "float" on the stud. Spacers made from the old OEM shock bushing need to be made for those models.
We cant figure out why Toyota would make both those items different for North Amreican FJ's, but they did.
I agree w/ all of this an dwhat i would have said
I'm doing the same front but am puting the ome rear med duty on. this is how rockrawler had his set up before he had the rear ap kit
Yes I had the OME kit on first, and ran the WE front with OME rear for a short time. The OME was noticably stiffer than the WE, but still rode very nice. It DOES sit 1/2"-3/4" higher with the OME springs than the AP coils, was impossible to level the vehicle with them until we swapped them out for the AP coils, now its level but the front is maxxed to get it there (and required for 35" tires)
Yes I had the OME kit on first, and ran the WE front with OME rear for a short time. The OME was noticably stiffer than the WE, but still rode very nice. It DOES sit 1/2"-3/4" higher with the OME springs than the AP coils, was impossible to level the vehicle with them until we swapped them out for the AP coils, now its level but the front is maxxed to get it there (and required for 35" tires)
Here is the OME ft/rr kit with 35's
I just love that rig!!
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... even though the springs say they are 15% stiffer, they dont feel like it because it is a bigger spring and it will ride softer than stock.
My experience has been that the AP rear springs ARE noticeably stiffer. I have the adjustable Walker Evans rear shocks and even on the softest setting the rear ride is stiffer than stock. I drive over the same set of speedbumps at work every day and the first day after I put the new springs in it was pretty noticeable. Rides nice on the highway and should handle a load better though.
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Yes, the rear springs are 15% stiffer than stock, which helps with added acessories and sway. I can tell you from personal experience they are noticably softer than OME, but stiffer than stock, but once you add a rear bumper, heavier rear wheel tire for the spare, cooler, jack, maybe kids, the extra spring rate is a welcome thing.
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