Damn... So with the tulip setup, the front diff.
would need to be opened up in order to remove
the c-clips and axle ?... Or do they pull out of
the diff, and the c-clips are for the outer CV
joint ?...
Sorry for the Q's... I am at work and don't have
my FJ Dvd info here... I have owned Fords/dodge
for the last ten years, and before that, I never
lost a front axle on my 88 4rnr... So I am a little
inexperienced with them, other than cars...
Thanks Valk... Great Visual... Appreciate it SIR !!!....
I will be picking up a complete axle for the parts box
in the FJ... Along with the seals, gear oil and such,
I really would hate to be stuck in the MT6 without
an axle....
Location: currently Huntsville, AL, originally from Honolulu
Posts: 1,696
Re: Lessons about CV axle failure
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Valkyrie previously said:
This post simply to provide useful information for everyone- it is not an indictment of the owner or bragging on my behalf.
Lesson #1: If you are turning your wheels sharply and/or climbing an obstacle, picking a better line is often a wiser choice than pressing a bad position.
Lesson #2: If you are spinning your wheels and it starts to hop, get out of the gas and stop immediately. The second a tire spinning at 10-15 MPH gets traction, something bad usually happens.
In the case of spinning the wheels and hoping (hopping actually) for the best, hope is not a method. This power-over-technique really is no technique at all. Any helicopter pilot will tell you it just takes one experience with settling with power, and TECHNIQUE becomes revered! It's easier to back off power and shoot another approach, just like you can stop and go back and pick a better line.
I got down to the vehicle and discovered that the driver had no tools, no axle, nothing.
Lesson #3: Be prepared when you head out, and do not count on or expect others to take care of you. Know how to perform basic trail repairs and have the parts and special tools (in this case: CV axle, 35mm hub socket, gear oil, right & left diff seals and a means to pull & seat the seals, locktite and FIPG) to repair your own stuff. Even if you don't know how to perform basic repairs, at least have the parts and tools so that someone can help you and someone else who made the investment for themselves doesn't end up without spares because of your lack of preparation.
Lesson #4: If you have a stupid "anti-whatever" sticker (Jeeps, Hummers, whatever), take it off. If you have a stupid "anti-whatever" attitude (Jeeps, Hummers, whatever), grow up and lose it.
Totally agree. We are all in this together. Life and trail riding would be boring if we all drove/wheeled the same rig. Furthermore, never bite the hand that feeds or fixes you in while you are in a jam. Leave the attitude at home or at the mall!
Lesson #5: If things take a serious turn for the worse, inventory all possible resources at your disposal and communicate with everyone where you are at and what you need.
Yes. Safety first. Leave your pride at the door or at least when the pavement ends. On trail is where the bull$hit stops! Plus, we'd rather fix you up so we can all go back to having fun and then there will be less crap in the way of folks making their way through or to that part of trail
Lesson #9: Beer or food is an acceptable (and expected) expression of gratitude... don't be a bogart.
Definitely don't be a bogart. If that is your thing, then again, please take your festooned trailer queen rig and your crap attitude back to the mall
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Valkyrie previously said:
LOL! Thanks... sometimes so do I.
No one is immune for damage or stupidity. Here is the result of some hapless fool who was backing out of a crevice he shouldn't have been in the first place, with the wheels turned sharply and the front locker engaged.
$hit happens and murphy don't discriminate! Also, knowledge is one thing, action is another. And in the words of a sage off-roader (I think we all have heard this in one form or another): I am generally allowed one case of stupid per day...and I've done used mine up already right here
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Lovey previously said:
If your gonna wheel your junk you should know how to fix it. Nothing wrong with not knowing everything, but you should have some knowledge.
Truly impossible to know everything. Wouldn't want to. Life would be boring otherwise. And those that think they know it all, usually have that aforementioned "attitude" problem and will one day be the cause of a trail slow down or worse yet, shut down, because of something stupid or ignorant.
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4RnrJ previously said:
Awesome post Valk, thanks for writing that up. I'd give you more rep points, but I can't give you any more.
I'll added it on your behalf
Just curious again, Valk, but is that beer in the passenger's foot well of the FJ40 part of your "tool" kit ??
S. [/quote]
That must have been the trail repair / life saver REP points...someone who obviously was not a bogart :cheer:
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Rmplstlskn previously said:
Great post...
It would be a great addition to this post (or start another) to have some PICS of YOUR FJC spare parts and PICS of the TOOL BOX and TOOLS you personally take on the trail with you.
My fear is to forget that ONE TOOL that I need and should have known about, yet didn't put it in the box.
BTW, who was the guy that was RUSHING YOU? Part of the FJ drivers crew or someone responsible to keep the trail open and running?
Rmpl
Great idea on the spare parts / tools list...a future sticky in the making I am sure...this without question also is a safety issue as well.
As for missing that one tool...just like at home, the trail is no different. When you don't need a hammer that is all you see, when you need it a hammer, all you got is glue, etc. Reminds me of a recent experience on the Prentice Cooper trail ride in January, a jeeper in an XJ cherokee that was built to the nines broke his drive shaft at the u-joint. This guy was prepared had tools and replacement parts, yet was without a simple lowly hammer. sure he coulda used a rock, except he'd probably either injure himself or make matters worse. I had one and lent it to him. He did his repairs and was back in action. Sometimes, you can think of everything or every tool and even if you do, murphy removes it for you That is the importance of all us trail goers to have a tool kit of sorts; to plus up each other in the case of need. Together than, we may just equal that "snap-on" tool kit that Valk had mentioned.
also, I dont think its been mentioned, but an 03+ 4Runner axle is the same toyota part number (I dont have the number in front of me) as the FJ Cruiser's. This is important since there is cheaper aftermarket replacements available for 4 Runners and not FJs.
Location: currently Huntsville, AL, originally from Honolulu
Posts: 1,696
Re: Lessons about CV axle failure
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Valkyrie previously said:
LOL! That hapless fool was me, and fortunately someone took pity on me and brought me a cold one.
The repair was done at camp... no beer on the trail.
Oh yeah, I gotcha on being influence free on the trail. I actually just messed up annotating/quoting Spikestrips question to you. I was just commenting on the beer being a form of REP points
This thread was great. Hopefully, more folks will take the time and read it
I knew immediately what the likely result would be, so I chuckled and watched (and grabbed my tools). Sure enough, he mashed the gas and started bouncing... after about 3 bounces I heard the *BANG* and I proceeded down the hill.'
Maybe this is an obvious question, but why didn't you just stop him and avoid the mess all together? Maybe it happened too fast, maybe you weren't his spotter, maybe he didn't want a spotter.....
Maybe this is an obvious question, but why didn't you just stop him and avoid the mess all together? Maybe it happened too fast, maybe you weren't his spotter, maybe he didn't want a spotter.....
Just wondering.
Sean
I took from it that he was already up the hill and saw the guy do this who was halfway up the hill. I'd bet he was too far away to fix the situation.
But yeah, his spotter (if he had one) should've helped him prevent it.
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