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Old 10-26-2007, 10:26 AM   #11
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Great info guys. I like the Weld option. Sizzling bacon baby.
It could be your first project with the welder your getting.



Guys its not hard. go out to your FJ tonight and jack it up (both front tires off the ground) then measure from your lower shock mount up to were ever your going to mount the strap on top then subtract about an inch for stretch and your done. you might need to play with your top mounting location to get the strap to work since you'll be buying over the counter straps that come in set lengths.
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Old 02-29-2008, 05:10 PM   #12
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Hey guys, I really need to add some straps to my rig, I keep getting premature diff seal failure and I'm suspecting that my WEs are drooping too much. What brand do you recommend? Any help would be great. Are the two companies mentioned above good manufacturers? Thanks in advance.
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RED ART INC. : Racing Seats, SuperStraps, TieDowns, & Window Nets redart (beard) is another great limit strap mfg.

They have quad wrap available as well.

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my WEs are drooping too much.
Kings. -- dump the WE's (just my opinion)

As to straps, I went to Donahoe Racing some time ago since they won Baja and had straps on their FJ.

Frank (Donahoe chief engineer) advised against it unless it was going to be strictly a racing rig. I fully intended to put on straps, remove the sway bar, etc. until I spoke with him and came away with the impression that it was a less than good idea.

Please don't flame me. I was looking for advice from somebody smarter than myself they way you are.

My present thought is not to over-drive the FJ. Yes, you might out-run me in the desert, but my rig isn't a desert racing vehicle and I can't afford to re-build it after each and every run the way Donahoe does. (and I don't have an in-house genius engineer to do the work) Which is the point here.

Straps work, we all know that - but how severely do you want to modify your FJ and what will be the down-stream cost to the system as a whole if you push it way beyond design specifications. Other parts will break and wear prematurely. AIR2AIR's saga is one of modify-at-your-own-risk. His rig is way cool and Todd is a friend, but once you go down the severe mod trail, it becomes very involved.
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Totally agree. But if you do decide to go with the strap, keep your sway bar on when you are on the road. It's not worth the risk.

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RED ART INC. : Racing Seats, SuperStraps, TieDowns, & Window Nets redart (beard) is another great limit strap mfg.

They have quad wrap available as well.

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Thanks for the info on the limit straps. I'm still interested in getting some for my FJ.
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Hey Chris:

Got your voicemail earlier today about the WEs allowing too much droop up front. If you have a chance this weekend, put the front end up on jackstands and measure the max droop (I use the top wheel stud as a reference). Remove one of the front WE coilovers and disconnect the anti-swaybar and measure the droop again. If the distance is the same, you have max out the CV travel range. I looked the front coilovers comparison that AlexJet collected here and both the WE and the Fox have the longest extended length (i.e. they allow the most droop) compared to others. Backing off the spring preload may help some. Poly Performance is another source for limit straps. HTH.

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RED ART INC. : Racing Seats, SuperStraps, TieDowns, & Window Nets redart (beard) is another great limit strap mfg.

They have quad wrap available as well.

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Ty Sean I'll check it out.

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Kings. -- dump the WE's (just my opinion)

As to straps, I went to Donahoe Racing some time ago since they won Baja and had straps on their FJ.

Frank (Donahoe chief engineer) advised against it unless it was going to be strictly a racing rig. I fully intended to put on straps, remove the sway bar, etc. until I spoke with him and came away with the impression that it was a less than good idea.

Please don't flame me. I was looking for advice from somebody smarter than myself they way you are.

My present thought is not to over-drive the FJ. Yes, you might out-run me in the desert, but my rig isn't a desert racing vehicle and I can't afford to re-build it after each and every run the way Donahoe does. (and I don't have an in-house genius engineer to do the work) Which is the point here.

Straps work, we all know that - but how severely do you want to modify your FJ and what will be the down-stream cost to the system as a whole if you push it way beyond design specifications. Other parts will break and wear prematurely. AIR2AIR's saga is one of modify-at-your-own-risk. His rig is way cool and Todd is a friend, but once you go down the severe mod trail, it becomes very involved.
=). Larry, thanks for the info, and I would never dream of flaming you. I still haven't had one of your bush burgers! I can't afford the kings so I'm gonna strap it, take about .25 inches out of the lift, and run my swaybar.

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Totally agree. But if you do decide to go with the strap, keep your sway bar on when you are on the road. It's not worth the risk.

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Hey Chris:

Got your voicemail earlier today about the WEs allowing too much droop up front. If you have a chance this weekend, put the front end up on jackstands and measure the max droop (I use the top wheel stud as a reference). Remove one of the front WE coilovers and disconnect the anti-swaybar and measure the droop again. If the distance is the same, you have max out the CV travel range. I looked the front coilovers comparison that AlexJet collected here and both the WE and the Fox have the longest extended length (i.e. they allow the most droop) compared to others. Backing off the spring preload may help some. Poly Performance is another source for limit straps. HTH.

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T I will do this when I do my straps for sure. I do plan to remove .25 inches from the lift as well. I think this will solve my problems. And as always thank you.
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Frank (Donahoe chief engineer) advised against it unless it was going to be strictly a racing rig. I fully intended to put on straps, remove the sway bar, etc. until I spoke with him and came away with the impression that it was a less than good idea.[quote]


I don't think it's a bad idea, it may be unnecessarie(i know i didnt spell that right) however.
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Hey Chris:

Got your voicemail earlier today about the WEs allowing too much droop up front. If you have a chance this weekend, put the front end up on jackstands and measure the max droop (I use the top wheel stud as a reference). Remove one of the front WE coilovers and disconnect the anti-swaybar and measure the droop again. If the distance is the same, you have max out the CV travel range. I looked the front coilovers comparison that AlexJet collected here and both the WE and the Fox have the longest extended length (i.e. they allow the most droop) compared to others. Backing off the spring preload may help some. Poly Performance is another source for limit straps. HTH.

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Yo T, about measuring droop, can I measure it without taking a coil over out and just remove the sway bar link from the opposite side of the droop? Won't this be good for comparing mine with a stock FJ? Or, is it necessary to remove the coil over?
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