Great Land / Trail Use Video

[Blackstone_Cruiser]

Here is a great video made by a Alberta 4x4 club that makes a strong and emotional arguement against closing OHV trails on public land.

http://www.timbertamers.org/runs2004/adg.wmv

Note you should have the PC speakers on to get the full impact of the video
especially the last 30 seconds.

Enjoy

[MissFJ]

Many good points in that film!!!

[highbeams]

extremely emotional

[FJme]

Ban the beaver! HaHa that was a cool video. Excellent points.

And yes, I was ferklempt at the beginning . . .

[mikey]

Good job Alberta boys! Going to have to contact them to het together and see some of those place in the vid.

[Kzoocruiser]

Question:

Why is the comparison made between boat docks and bridges built over streams....when the filmaker obviously acknowledges that not a dime is being argued by the off-road community in Alberta as to the importance of the latter?
Does this guy mean to tell me that not a cent of whatever money he pays directly or indirectly to ride in the province of Alberta...has never gone or never will go to building a recreational trail across a darn river?

Whose fault is that and more importantly....what does this say about US as a community vs those arguing that the darn things ought to be in place to begin with?

Loved the movie....just must've missed the part (as here in the U.S) where the off-road community majority was filmed standing around with their wallets out willing to solve all the problems mentioned.
By the way, here's what they pay in Quebec http://www.quadchaudiereappalaches.c...Dacces_ang.cfm would it be safe to say that these people have a lot less tree huggers on their arse after developing one of the world's most extensive systems by actually PAYING for it....or does complaining about not a dollar going to bridge building actually ATTRACT greenies to the other side of this country?

[MissFJ]

Kzoocruiser previously said:

Question:

Why is the comparison made between boat docks and bridges built over streams....when the filmaker obviously acknowledges that not a dime is being argued by the off-road community in Alberta as to the importance of the latter?
Does this guy mean to tell me that not a cent of whatever money he pays directly or indirectly to ride in the province of Alberta...has never gone or never will go to building a recreational trail across a darn river?

Whose fault is that and more importantly....what does this say about US as a community vs those arguing that the darn things ought to be in place to begin with?

Loved the movie....just must've missed the part (as here in the U.S) where the off-road community majority was filmed standing around with their wallets out willing to solve all the problems mentioned.

WTF??? Gee, not sure what you saw, but I viewed people making their own way through the wilderness without having to tell the gov't "build me a bridge so I can cross it". Without having to pay anything actually....That's the point of wheeling, is it not? Freedom to explore!
The point of the movie isn't about money, it's about view points and how things equal, pointed to the people who have never been out of the suburbs.

EDIT: I just watched it again to see if I missed something….and this video is NOT about money. It’s about time in the open and the reasons people use to close trails when they know nothing about what goes on out there.
Stay off your money tangent. He was simply pointing out that money is spent on docks while wheelin’ is cheap yet good for the environment.

[Blackstone_Cruiser]

Another point made in the video is to get everyone to think and reconsider their perceptions of OHV and its RELATIVE impact on the environment.

The issue with the Marina and docks is that the gov't (da Man) spends big money to invest in public infrastructure to service a small group of boat owners while discrimanating against another small group that wants to use trails which cost much less to develop and maintain.

Think about all the impact constructing a marina has on a remote lake:
1) Construction of a 2 lane paved road
2) Construction of a Boat Ramp
3) Paved Parking and turnaround area
4) Restroom facilities
5) Public Beach
6) Dredging the lake or river to make marina approach naviagable
7) Water pollution from 2 stroke engines
8) Noise pollution from Speed Boats and Jet Skis
9) Large number of visitors by car to the marina/beach
10)Trash removal, Litter
11) Attract animals (bears, racoons) to scavange trash
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[JohnGalt]

MissFJ previously said:

WTF??? Gee, not sure what you saw, but I viewed people making their own way through the wilderness without having to tell the gov't "build me a bridge so I can cross it". Without having to pay anything actually....That's the point of wheeling, is it not? Freedom to explore!
The point of the movie isn't about money, it's about view points and how things equal, pointed to the people who have never been out of the suburbs.

EDIT: I just watched it again to see if I missed something….and this video is NOT about money. It’s about time in the open and the reasons people use to close trails when they know nothing about what goes on out there.
Stay off your money tangent. He was simply pointing out that money is spent on docks while wheelin’ is cheap yet good for the environment.

I agree, it didn't seem to be about money at all.

But my interpretation was slightly different: more about the quality time spent with family and what happens when you let go of the city and get outdoors. Your kids talk to you, you bond with your dad, etc. etc.

I actually thought that was the most important point being made. And the need for the land and access being the means to a an end, not the end in itself.

But then, what do I know.....

[Kzoocruiser]

MissFJ previously said:

WTF??? Gee, not sure what you saw, but I viewed people making their own way through the wilderness without having... to pay anything actually....That's the point of wheeling, is it not...this video is NOT about money...Stay off your money tangent. He was simply pointing out that money is spent on docks while wheelin’ is cheap yet good for the environment.

BUSINESS people (or municipalities) taking RISKS spend money on docks for their own (or the public's) capital gain.
What that has to do with "wheelin' is cheap" or "no money being spent on bridges" to properly cross them....I haven't a clue.

I guess we have a difference of opinion regarding "without having to pay anything.. (being)..the point of wheelin'...".

In my opinion...that is exactly why we face the problems we do today and will so again tomorrow.

The majority of the people on this board would NOT pay what you witness above in Quebec to be environmentally responsible/have great trails and would go one step further as to argue the fact here if they believed there was a leg to prop themselves up on while doing so. (which time and time again they don't; as getting mad at the messenger is one heck of a lot more 'convenient'. ).

Full size off-roading SHOULD be the most expensive date on the planet....yet most in the sport act like these off-road motorcyclists hoping to get away with the least out of their pockets...as they possibly can.