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Old 02-28-2007, 03:07 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Pizza cutters rock!

My main purpose in writing this was to help answer a PM, but I got a little long-winded so I figured I'd open it up to a discussion of pizza cutters... Flatbillers, poseurs & desert runners start your own threads.

Because I do more trail riding and expedition camping in rock/granite/light mud environment, my priorities for a tire include:
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1. streetability, since most monthly trips are 300-500 miles to the trails.
2. have minimal adverse wear on steering & suspension components.
3. fit without rubbing through full articulation and range of turning.

Since I don't do any desert/sand running, I have no need for floatation.

Because of the areas I wheel in, I generally prefer three tires:

Street and mild wheeling I use BF Goodrich A/T KO's... as tall and skinny as I can get... currently running 33 x 9.5 (32.7 x 9.5). They have good siping, a relatively strong 3 ply sidewall and a stiff shoulder that lets it work well aired down. I wheeled these 33x10.5's on my 80 aired down to 10 & 8 PSI (F&R resp.) without issue on both granite & rocks.

For little street, mostly trail (but can get me to the trail) I like the Goodyear Wrangler MT/R's- arguably the toughest sidewall out there, airs down great and not bad on the highway... becomes very smooth with Dyna Beads. They are kind of soft and therefore tend to wear and chunk easily, and sadly they don't come as tall & skinny as I like but they are a great tire for their purpose. I would like to find something as streetable as them, and as tough as them, but in a 34 x 9.5...

For no street, swap at the trail head tires: pretty much any of the Interco TSL's... currently looking at the Special Service Super Swamper TSL in a 34 x 9.50 (33.8 x 8) for trail-only tires for my 40.

I think the three real benefits of tall & skinny are:

1. The benefit of better contact pressure, which is an advantage in most surface conditions. Skinny tires are great offroad tires, putting more pounds per square inch on the ground for better traction.

2. The clearance it gives... narrower allows fitment with less lift.

3. It is easier on your steering components- turning a firmer contact patch equates to less resistance and therefore less stress, and you are more likely to find a free track for a skinnier tire that might otherwise jam a wide tire. Unless you are going to be "Joe Harcore Rockcrawler", you aren't gonna air down your everyday tires (on your beadlocks) to 3-4 PSI to wrap rubber over the top of a rock. (Remember, I am talking about dual-purpose tires here- if you have beadlocks and trail tires, more power to you! you'll still do better with skinnies though. )

So, any questions/thoughts/comments/recommendations on pizza cutters?
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Old 02-28-2007, 03:10 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Re: Pizza cutters rock!

+1 for the MT/R's!
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Re: Pizza cutters rock!

These reasons are why I went with the 255/85/16 SS TrXus mud radials. Very pleased so far but haven't had a chance to really test them off-road yet...
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Re: Pizza cutters rock!

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These reasons are why I went with the 255/85/16 SS TrXus mud radials. Very pleased so far but haven't had a chance to really test them off-road yet...
I saw your pic on IH8Mud. Those tires look good!
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Re: Pizza cutters rock!

That's good to know... it converts to a 33x10, any idea what the real-world variance is?

How are the road manners?
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Re: Pizza cutters rock!

I love the idea of the 34 x 10.5 SS LTB's but don't want to hassle with a bias ply tire. I love my MT/R's...and would almost kill for a set in the above mentioned 34 x 10.5 size. Pizza cutters rock! I don't like playing that much in the sand or giant mud holes anyway.
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Re: Pizza cutters rock!

I measured side wall to side wall (not counting the sidewall pattern) right at 10" and the diameter at just under 33" (32 7/8" on the unloaded spare pumped to 45 lbs). These are "eye ball" measurements, no straight edges or levels involved, just a tape.

The road manners are fine. Little hum but nothing really. Have to roll the windows down and turn off the radio to really notice it, mostly at slower speeds for some reason. They drive very well, maybe its due to the stiffer sidewalls as compered to the take-offs and that also firmed up the ride. We had a big rain recently and had a chance to drive them on wet streets and highways with some heavy puddling. They didn't feel squirly at all, maybe the siping helps that but it felt very solid on the freeway at 65-70 mph.

They balanced fine but I'm planning on adding some dynabeads just in case I throw a weight or tear off a lug. These things are frick'n heavy though. Can tell in braking mostly. Thus far, I'm very pleased with my choice.
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Re: Pizza cutters rock!

I agree whole heartedly, especially on lighter rigs. The FJC may not be light enough to take advantage of the narrower tread.....but you guys would be the ones to ask.

From what I notice, the narrow tires work better in almost all aspects (at least they did on my old Toyota truck)....I went from 15.50s to 12.5s and would never consider going that wide again.

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Re: Pizza cutters rock!

I see that you guys said when wheelin in a lot of sand and mud, wider tires are preferred. if you aired down your "pizza cutters" enough, would that suffice?
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For no street, swap at the trail head tires: pretty much any of the Interco TSL's... currently looking at the Special Service Super Swamper TSL in a 34 x 9.50 (33.8 x 8) for trail-only tires for my 40.
I guess my interest is in a mainly trail (very little or no street) with rock, sand, gravel. And with some of that rock pretty big (but not rock buggy big). I'm still doing much of my build up through staged trail and error - I only just graduated from the stock duelers to BFG AT's after 7 months of trail riding...

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I think the three real benefits of tall & skinny are:

1. The benefit of better contact pressure, which is an advantage in most surface conditions. Skinny tires are great offroad tires, putting more pounds per square inch on the ground for better traction.

2. The clearance it gives... narrower allows fitment with less lift.

3. It is easier on your steering components- turning a firmer contact patch equates to less resistance and therefore less stress, and you are more likely to find a free track for a skinnier tire that might otherwise jam a wide tire. Unless you are going to be "Joe Harcore Rockcrawler", you aren't gonna air down your everyday tires (on your beadlocks) to 3-4 PSI to wrap rubber over the top of a rock. (Remember, I am talking about dual-purpose tires here- if you have beadlocks and trail tires, more power to you! you'll still do better with skinnies though. )
I guess 1. requires a surface material that can take high vehicle pressures - which rock certainly can. In fact, I've read quite contradictory material on tire pressures for rocks - from the airing down that I've read much about on various forums, to the advice to keep fully inflated in such books as "off roader driving" by Tom Sheppard. Thus far, I've lacked the ability to air back up after airing down, so my experimentation with this is still ahead of me...

2. is not even an open question - if they're narrower they will accommodate better for a given diameter.

3. it also seems an unassailable argument that narrow tires will tax the steering less. But I kinda hit a contradiction in the end of 3 - if airing down helps, it presumably helps because you spread the traction over more area and you also can essentially eliminate small scale topography by deforming the tire over rocks. If we neglect dual purpose (since I'm not interested in that ) and don't worry about strain on steering, you say that narrow is still better. Is that mainly the argument of the greater ease of threading the thinner tire through areas that the fatty would stick on? Does that outweight the deformation possible with fat tires in your experience? Overall, why do fat, deflated tires seem to be the rock crawler solution of choice?

BTW: I love your disclaimer over on TTORA...

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