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Chris - with all due respect, I don't believe this statement. Unless Rising Sun posted this restriction within their registration, the individual whim of a trail leader could not arbitrarily decide to kick someone out of a TLCA sanctioned event because they have a personal agenda to pursue. As long as the individual is acting lawfully, one would have no reason to make this request other than pushing their own agenda. This would be no different than, if I were acting as a trail leader, decided that I didn't like the way your child seat was buckled in the vehicle and that it was listed on Consumer Reports as not acceptable, felt it was unsafe and told you that you couldn't participate with that. You could argue that it is "legal" and you are not breaking any laws by doing it that way. I'd get to say..."too bad, I'm the trail leader and I say no, you can't come", I'm sure you would be fine with that, right?The Rising Sun 4x4 club takes lead driver roles very serious, as well. I was told that any group I am leading for Rising Sun, where someone is wearing a side arm, I have the right to tell them to put that away in their vehicle or leave the group.
I frankly don't believe that. In fact, we know that's not the case since we both saw people we both know who were doing so at Rubithon '08.they have never had anyone open carry at any TLCA sanctioned event before.
I was going to try to make it this year, but now I see what it is becoming, and I think I'll hold off. Because I'm turned off.In as much as I respect those who don't understand or know the laws which regulate concealed or open carry within the states they travel to, it is important to know that restricting said rights can cause problems.
If the organizing group for this year's summit plan on circumventing the laws of CO regarding firearms, it would be well advised to make that clear on the registration forms so that there are no surprises and people can decide if they want to participate and support an event that has made such a decision.
What alarms me is the negative assumptions made by some that someone who chooses to exercise their right to open carry, might be a "nut" and crack, that this person's mental sanity is open to question because they have a firearm on their hip. Why this leap of fear and uncertainty exists is a mystery to me. I wonder if the Summit committee has proper insurance if someone were to go nuts with a Hi-lift jack handle and start bashing people in the head, I could see that happening way before someone going on a shooting rampage.
Chris - with all due respect, I don't believe this statement. Unless Rising Sun posted this restriction within their registration, the individual whim of a trail leader could not arbitrarily decide to kick someone out of a TLCA sanctioned event because they have a personal agenda to pursue. As long as the individual is acting lawfully, one would have no reason to make this request other than pushing their own agenda. This would be no different than, if I were acting as a trail leader, decided that I didn't like the way your child seat was buckled in the vehicle and that it was listed on Consumer Reports as not acceptable, felt it was unsafe and told you that you couldn't participate with that. You could argue that it is "legal" and you are not breaking any laws by doing it that way. I'd get to say..."too bad, I'm the trail leader and I say no, you can't come", I'm sure you would be fine with that, right?
The fact is that, as has been discussed in previous threads about the trails in Ouray...they are public roadways and as long as the laws are being followed, one can't supersede said laws at the whim of the organizers.
I also question your statement that:
I frankly don't believe that. In fact, we know that's not the case since we both saw people we both know who were doing so at Rubithon '08.
Now, I can see making a request, asking respectfully to secure their firearm in the vehicle but if they refused, I don't see what recourse a trail leader would have. I don't see anywhere on this year's Rubithon registration form nor last year's where any mention of firearms are made. Did it really cause you concern to see Jason walking the trail with his holster/firearm on?
I guess I did well since you apparently didn't know I was carrying also and will continue to so as long as I'm doing it legally and within my rights as a citizen of the country...