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I don’t know if anyone has successfully transplanted 2010 Rack into 2009, but as long as the mounting points are the same it can be done. Also if the plumbing are a bit different, you can get the plumbing for 2010 and make it work.

This is the part# for 2010 steering rack 44200-35103 $760 from Toyota of Dallas


2009 part#44200-35080 $720


I do have a spare new 2010 steering rack but don’t know anyone here close to me with 2009 or earlier model so we can measure everything.


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Thats what I thought, as long as the mounts are the same...gotta be close ....and not too complicated.
The steering shaft is probably the bigger challenge if they changed angles at all.... or length..into the box. But i somehow doubt they did...
and odds are the mounts are the same too....
Thanks for the details....

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Thats what I thought, as long as the mounts are the same...gotta be close ....and not too complicated.
The steering shaft is probably the bigger challenge if they changed angles at all.... or length..into the box. But i somehow doubt they did...
and odds are the mounts are the same too....
Thanks for the details....

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You welcome Baz.
Like you said, the mounting is the only crucial part. I say the rest should be easy. It only needs someone with great deal of “WILL” to do it.




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You welcome Baz.
Like you said, the mounting is the only crucial part. I say the rest should be easy. It only needs someone with great deal of “WILL” to do it.




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I think @debFJVT has the WILL ....
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I don’t know if anyone has successfully transplanted 2010 Rack into 2009, but as long as the mounting points are the same it can be done. Also if the plumbing are a bit different, you can get the plumbing for 2010 and make it work.

This is the part# for 2010 steering rack 44200-35103 $760 from Toyota of Dallas


2009 part#44200-35080 $720


I do have a spare new 2010 steering rack but don’t know anyone here close to me with 2009 or earlier model so we can measure everything.


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Thank you for the response, and posting the schematics - they do look the same but yeah I know.... I guess one issue I have is whether the gain is great enough to justify going through the conversion - new tie rods, new plumbing, (but hopefully same PS pump as mine is new), and the hassle factor of the great unknown in attachment points. When you say beefier, do you mean thicker diameter, larger joints etc? Just trying to evaluate this potential project.....
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Re: All Pro Heavy Duty Tie Rods

FYI the steering rack ( rack&pinion ) for 07-09 on the FJ is the same as for the 4Runners, changed mine last spring.

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FYI the steering rack ( rack&pinion ) for 07-09 on the FJ is the same as for the 4Runners, changed mine last spring.
Had heard that but not able to confirm - thanks! Is the price any better for T4R?



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Resurrecting this thread from the dead, as I recently bent both of my tie rod ends doing some very mild wheeling. 2012 FJ. 295/70r17, 2.5" Icon stage 2 lift, proper allignment before. Trying to go up over a 8-10" root I think before I got out the winch. The only ones I see still made are ReadyLIFT and they are running over $800 for a set, ouch! Anyone have any ideas on this one now? That's where I think I did it.
RCV came out with beefy tie rods for the FJ recently, I believe, and they'd cost even more [IMG class=inlineimg]https://www.fjcruiserforums.com/forums/images/FJCruiser2/smilies/tango_face_surprise.png[/IMG] I go through a lot of tie rods as I wheel hard, live in the NE with road salt, and run 35's. I've come to see them as the "fuse" and would rather break a tie rod than any associated (and waaaay more expensive/difficult to repair) parts. I always carry a spare tie rod for trail repairs and yes, have actually used one. Also learned the hard way that there's no such thing as bargain tie rods (die within a few months) and will only use OE. Best price on OE I've ever seen is $123 each from OEMPartSource.com
Fair enough, thanks for the input. The more I research it, the more I tend to agree with your logic of the tie rods acting as the fuse, just seems this was really very little abuse to bend them. Was just hoping to not have to replace them and pay for an allignment quite so often. Or... just use the winch for EVERY obstacle I can't crawl up.
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Re: All Pro Heavy Duty Tie Rods

I actually did some research into fitting a 10+ rack on my 08. All the part numbers (except the rack and tie rods) are the same between years, pump, lines, shafts, etc. The Toyota parts catalog says the 2010+ tierods fit the 07-09, but the 07-09 doesn't fit the 2010+, but the knuckles are the same part number, so the tierod taper should be the same...right? So maybe the 2010+ are just stronger/better or maybe the 07-09 tierods are too short for the 2010+ but the 2010 can be adjusted shorter to fit the 07-09 rack? So the 2010+ rack/tierods should fit the 07-09, but not the other way around?

The other big problem that you might encounter is with the vsc system, because the racks have a different overall ratio. They both have a variable ratio design, but the final ratio on the 07-09 rack is 17:1 and the 10+ is 15.1:1. This might confuse the steering angle sensor, yaw sensor, and vsc when you turn, but may be cured by simply recalibrating the steering angle sensor or vsc.

I think someone's just going to have to try it and find out
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I actually did some research into fitting a 10+ rack on my 08. All the part numbers (except the rack and tie rods) are the same between years, pump, lines, shafts, etc. The Toyota parts catalog says the 2010+ tierods fit the 07-09, but the 07-09 doesn't fit the 2010+, but the knuckles are the same part number, so the tierod taper should be the same...right? So maybe the 2010+ are just stronger/better or maybe the 07-09 tierods are too short for the 2010+ but the 2010 can be adjusted shorter to fit the 07-09 rack? So the 2010+ rack/tierods should fit the 07-09, but not the other way around?

The other big problem that you might encounter is with the vsc system, because the racks have a different overall ratio. They both have a variable ratio design, but the final ratio on the 07-09 rack is 17:1 and the 10+ is 15.1:1. This might confuse the steering angle sensor, yaw sensor, and vsc when you turn, but may be cured by simply recalibrating the steering angle sensor or vsc.

I think someone's just going to have to try it and find out
This is very interesting, and exactly the kind of info we need to share and discuss before "one of us" decides to just do it. On Wednesday I'll be swapping my inner tie rods and will get a better look at the rack. Depending on condition I may or may not be the "one" and will start a new steering rack thread. Meanwhile I'm still hoping someone out there with hands on experience with this adaptation will add their knowledge.
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