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Why would a $tealer NOT certify a clean used vehicle?

Just curious to know why a Toyota $tealer would NOT certify a used 2010 FJ with only 5k miles. They also have an '07 with 10k that is not certified. Does this sound a little odd? Is there something they are concerned with that they are not willing to stand by it? I would think a low mile clean vehicle as it shows would be an easy way to Certify and tag on the extra 2k. Yes.. the '10 has another yr on the warranty and the '07 is out.

The '10 (4X4) w/5k miles is loaded was purchased up North and now in Florida....> asking 27k. They will not budge and let me walk away. Been on their lot for a month now. It's ckean.. but with 5k niles, it better be.

'07 (4X4) loaded Florida vehicle....> asking 23k. Also clean.


The '10 APPEARS to be a good deal but something about them NOT certifying it and it being on the lot for 30 days just raises my antenna. The 7yr/100,000 miles warranty sounds good.

Would like to hear some of your thoughts/opinions ??
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First thought is that it has been repaired and wouldn't qualify. Have you asked them to certify it for you? Also, just a thought, if you're going to modify it certification my be a waste of money. Toyota warranty should only cost $1500 or less if you purchase separately

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Re: Why would a $tealer NOT certify a clean used vehicle?

Assuming they have other certified cars on their lot (i.e. they actually DO some certifications), then the most likely cause is that the vehicle suffered some kind of damage previously that disqualifies it for certification. If you check the seams - doors, hood etc - for evidence of repainting, this might prove out. The easy way is to feel along the paint coming to the outside of the vehicle, if you see a paint seam then you know it has been repainted.

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Re: Why would a $tealer NOT certify a clean used vehicle?

I THOUGHT that initially but got caught up in the moment and did not inquire. Carfaxes are a joke as they do not capture damage NOT reported. I asked them and some lame excuse of it being low miles did not warrant it.

No.. I do not plan to modify it. Unless adding an air intake for the '07 is modifying. I understand there are no mods yet for the 10's.
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No.. I do not plan to modify it. Unless adding an air intake for the '07 is modifying. I understand there are no mods yet for the 10's.
Hahahahahahaha. You're in the wrong place, brother. Run, while you and your money have a chance. Haha.

There are NO mods for a 2010 or newer either, so don't look for any, because they don't exists. Haha.

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Re: Why would a $tealer NOT certify a clean used vehicle?

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Just curious to know why a Toyota $tealer would NOT certify a used 2010 FJ with only 5k miles. They also have an '07 with 10k that is not certified. Does this sound a little odd? Is there something they are concerned with that they are not willing to stand by it? I would think a low mile clean vehicle as it shows would be an easy way to Certify and tag on the extra 2k. Yes.. the '10 has another yr on the warranty and the '07 is out.

The '10 (4X4) w/5k miles is loaded was purchased up North and now in Florida....> asking 27k. They will not budge and let me walk away. Been on their lot for a month now. It's ckean.. but with 5k niles, it better be.

'07 (4X4) loaded Florida vehicle....> asking 23k. Also clean.


The '10 APPEARS to be a good deal but something about them NOT certifying it and it being on the lot for 30 days just raises my antenna. The 7yr/100,000 miles warranty sounds good.

Would like to hear some of your thoughts/opinions ??
Not to sound condencending, but did you trying asking them why there not certified? We can speculate hear all we want, but bottom line they have to disclose to you whay its not certified. maybe there was body damage, maybe there wasn't. Just cause it was certified doesn't nessasarly mean there hiding anything.
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Re: Why would a $tealer NOT certify a clean used vehicle?

A 2010 w/ 5K miles for 27K? Plus, I assume you'd have to pay another couple grand (~$29K)for certification and extended warranty? Why not just pay another 3K (~$32K) and get a loaded brand new 2012? You can probably get a better interest rate on a brand new one and have better resale value if that matters to you. If it doesn't, you have a brand new FJ so you know if it's been wrecked and can take care of it the way you want for not a whole lot more money.

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Re: Why would a $tealer NOT certify a clean used vehicle?

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No.. I do not plan to modify it. Unless adding an air intake for the '07 is modifying. I understand there are no mods yet for the 10's.
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Hahahahahahaha. You're in the wrong place, brother. Run, while you and your money have a chance. Haha.

There are NO mods for a 2010 or newer either, so don't look for any, because they don't exists. Haha.

Welcome to the madness.

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Re: Why would a $tealer NOT certify a clean used vehicle?

Went and saw both of these vehicles the other day, there definitely something wrong with the 2007. It drives like crap, after looking around I was somewhat sketched out by the dealer and their lack of knowledge and general cleanliness so my Dad and I left. We ended up at David Maus in Sanford and picked up their last 2011 Camo Green for quite the deal. They have a new 2012 Blue and Sand (6mt) for around 30k with TTT if your still looking for an FJ.

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Re: Why would a $tealer NOT certify a clean used vehicle?

There are many reasons. One being on average they end up having another 900-1500 in the cost of the vehicle. 450 goes directly to toyota then they pay for the actually cert inspection which is 500 or a bit lower so now your at 950. This assumes nothing is wrong which fixing would add to the cost. Cert requires things like tire and break needing to be in much better shape than a normal state safetly so lets say the tires are below cert but above safety. We all know FJ tires ar enot cheap that alone could be the reason. In most dealers the service and sales deptartments are seperate and always at odds. So service is trying to do as much work as they can on the car before the used dept can sell it and this of course raises their cost. So some dealers will purosely not certify their cars so that the cars are more easily marketable. Most shopping is done on the internet these days and if your 1000-1500 higher than the rest your depending on the person seeing the prices on the internet realizing yours is certified and then seeing the value in it. Not only that most people shop for cars online by bringing up the cars they want then sorting by price lowest first. These are just a few of the reasons. As the above poster mentioned there could also be issues like damage preventing it but on newer cars 9 times out of ten its all about cost. Toyotas are like gold at auctions as it is and then throwing new wheels, breaks, cert fee, and then paying for the actuall inspection isnt always feasible. Many toyota dealers have heavy losses every month on cert vehicles they are too heavy in. As the above poster mentioned ask the dealer if he can he will certify it but its going to cost you and you need to take in to account what work he is going to do and then add the value. On a toyota you dont need the 100k powertrain warranty most toyotas dont have issues there and frankly that warranty alone cost next to nothing. The 1500 the above poster mentioned could in manyc ases get you a 7 100k bumer to bumper. Just like anything else it all boils down to what you get for the additional money.
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