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hello to everyone, and thanking everyone in advance for your advice. I have the opportunity to purchase a 2014 trail team ultimate edition with 24,000 miles on it. It lives in the north east and has some frame rust, particularly at the weld seams. Generally is this considered to be a serious issue? And how will the value be affected if renovated underneath?
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I have the opportunity to purchase a 2014 trail team ultimate edition with 24,000 miles on it. It lives in the north east and has some frame rust, particularly at the weld seams. Generally is this considered to be a serious issue? And how will the value be affected if renovated underneath?
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Post some photos.

Significant rust from road salt or oceans can threaten the long-term life of the truck's frame. Rust on the welds is no problem, rust on the thinner parts of the frame or other hardware can be a problem.

A non-rusty truck is better than a rusty truck, from a value perspective. Point being, leaving the rust there sure doesn't help the value. Fix it and keep it from happening again, and you'll have a more valuable truck.

But to know how bad it is, we need some photos.
 

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Post some photos.

Significant rust from road salt or oceans can threaten the long-term life of the truck's frame. Rust on the welds is no problem, rust on the thinner parts of the frame or other hardware can be a problem.

A non-rusty truck is better than a rusty truck, from a value perspective. Point being, leaving the rust there sure doesn't help the value. Fix it and keep it from happening again, and you'll have a more valuable truck.

But to know how bad it is, we need some photos.
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all depends on the price. Im sure they want an absolute premium for a low mileage TTUE. but that frame is bad in my opinion (Colorado perspective)
 

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As long as the frame is still solid and an awl or screwdriver doesn't go through any where, if you can get it for a price you're happy with, go for it. It does have some serious flaking, though, so if you want to keep it for a long time my advice is to be prepared to spend some time underneath cleaning up, painting with a rust paint (Tremclad or some such product) and spraying the inside of the frame with Fluid Film (or something similar).
 

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If you buy it you should get it taken care of before it gets much worse. So it’s a cost you should factor in.

But from a renovation standpoint: rust can be like an iceberg; it can look like not too much from the surface, but still go deep. Where you see larger flakes is where it can go really deep however you won’t know how deep until you start chipping off those larger flakes. It looks like the rust is primarily along the seams which for a rust-belt vehicle is easier to fix.
 

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I think if you got under there with a wire brush or wire disk on a drill cleaned it up and painted the area it would be fine. That doesnt look terrible :)
 

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Hey Steve6356, are you in the rust belt or on a sea coast?

I think ALB, SeanFJ, and Sanderhawk are right about it being treatable. Every case is different, but people have posted pics of worse corrosion that they went on to mitigate.
However, SilvFx has a point, if you are in a part of the country that don't see salt you may want to choose an FJ that hasn't lived in a salt zone and start clean.

I don't blame you for wanting a 2014TT though; great looking FJs.
 

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From the pics, it looks treatable (clean it up, apply rust-treatment, repaint, apply preventative product regularly going forward); on the other hand, see it in person, chip at it to look for thin spots, look under the rear bumper cover to make sure this is the worst of it.
 

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what they all said
One thing to emphasize though: do not apply anything OVER the rust, as it'll fester underneath whatever is put over it and get much worse very quickly. Instead, wire brush off as much of the rust as is possible, and then clean real well and apply a good quality underbody paint.

Rust on only the welds is a "good" thing, as that's where it first starts, and is relatively straightforward to deal with.
 

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^^^^ x2.

Many dealers will say (if you happen to be buying from one)...."Oh, we can have it undercoated for you!!"...and theyll just bomb it all black over the rust. That is the worst possible thing you can do.

It does look pretty bad, but I think most of us see these things like children....not really aging... but a TTUE is going on 8 years old! That said, its better than many we have seen. Youd be doing it a great service to remedy it and get 18 more out of it!
 
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If it was mine, I would spot spray with a handheld media blaster, re-weld any areas of deep rust penetration, and then reapply undercoating. Nothing gets to the base metal faster and cleaner than a media blaster, but using one requires lots of masking and added precaution since it will clear a surface of paint and debris in a second or two. Make sure whoever welds it knows what they’re doing or is a specialist.
 

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If it was mine, I would spot spray with a handheld media blaster, re-weld any areas of deep rust penetration, and then reapply undercoating. Nothing gets to the base metal faster and cleaner than a media blaster, but using one requires lots of masking and added precaution since it will clear a surface of paint and debris in a second or two. Make sure whoever welds it knows what they’re doing or is a specialist.
I thought I read somewhere from @FJtest that welding on the frame can weaken it if not done right, etc (I have no experience). My big concern would be the frame rusting from the inside out....good luck getting to that. i know there is a process to do that but its not easy. Also....i guarantee with the low mileage they want a big premium which I simply wouldnt pay for a low mileage TTUE with a suspect frame.

Some of that flaking rust looks bad in the pics. I know I would be factoring in a $5-$8k reduction over the market price just to the condition of that frame....which likely the seller wont go for.
 

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@SilvFx it certainly can. Filling with the wrong type of wire (Mig), overheating the surrounding material or insufficient penetration are factors that can cause a weak spot in the frame. A safe repair is very much dependent upon the knowledge and experience of the welder to understand the metallurgical change that takes place. There are specialists who only do frame restorations but not all of them do a good job. In some states it’s even illegal to sell a car without informing the buyer of any frame alterations. So the price of the TTUE should be a good amount lower considering the necessary alterations imo.

@Datajockeys A pneumatic scaler will clear 95% of the oxide formations, but a media (typically sand) blaster will remove the last bit up to 99%. Only 99% because in FL a coating of flash rust takes only a couple minutes to form after blasting. A scaler does a great job of mechanically clearing bulk material before a final chemical or media blaster treatment. (The bulk of my experience is in aviation in a salty environment, where corrosion management is highly important).
 

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Yup. Three years in shipping yards remediating rust. I know the topic well.
 

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This makes me glad I live in Vegas. My FJ is garaged and although 11 years old with 95K there is no rust at all underneath.
 
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