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Honestly it is gonna depend on your driving. VSC All track is basically going to make the vehicle's drivetrain like the 4runner's. It will have an AWD mode and a 4WD mode with locking center diff.granger said:Necessary, hinderance, might be nice???
What do you all think about active traction VSC? What does it do, is it worth buying both the CQ and the UP packages to get?
Toyotaman said:I know this may have been useless info for some of you...but you'd be amazed the amount of people that think that AWD and 4WD are the same thing.
hope this helps
Thats not true, AWD does not have a low range, and usually the center differential cannot be locked. Most AWD systems don't use a center differential anyways, the are viscously coupled.ToyBox said:AWD with locking diff's gets you the best of both worlds.
I knew it! I was debating whether to call it full time 4wd or awd.mpd8488 said:Thats not true, AWD does not have a low range, and usually the center differential cannot be locked. Most AWD systems don't use a center differential anyways, the are viscously coupled.
However, to confuse it further, some 4wd systems have a 4x4 full time, which is essentially AWD, but it is still a two speed transfer case.
Manufacturers, to really confuse consumers, have blured the lines between 4wd and AWD. For instance, the Highlander has a badge that says "4wd" while it is in fact AWD.
EXACTLY my point. I don't want the car to try and correct my input. The car is not the thinking entity, I am. The only accident I have ever been in was CAUSED NOT BY MY DRIVING, but by the pressence of ABS brakes. I hate those damn things. A skid is controllable. Stopping a vehicle with ABS is NOT. I have spent half my life on snow and ice. It is EASY to drive on snow and ice if you know what you're doing. Having your vehicle second guess your driver input adjustments to breaking or stearing is an equation for disaster.mpd8488 said:If you are a good driver and know the physics of your vehicle then VSC become a hindrance because it interferes with your steering, braking, and throttle input. VSC probably eliminates all driver feedback through the pedals and steering wheel, which can tell you when you are pushing your vehicle limits. I know I can feel a vehicle's physical limits through the pedals, steering wheel, body roll, vehicle sounds, etc, and I would not like to loose that because a little computer chip is tells the car what to do.
The same goes for ABS. It only uses about 75% of the vehicle total stopping ability. Pumping the brakes uses even less of the cars potential than ABS, and locking the wheels uses something around half of the stopping ability. Threshold braking will allow the driver to utilize upwards of 90% of the vehicle's stopping ability while maintaining steering control, and it is surprisingly easy to learn and apply in the real world (I learned on a racetrack and have used it out on the road in some instances, it become natural, just like rowing gears in a stick shift). I was able to stop a police package Chevy Caprice (one heavy ass car, mind you) from about 75 mph in about sixty-seventy feet.
Those systems were designed for all the people who don't know what to do behind the wheel if an emergency arrises. There is no emergency vehicle handling taught in the U.S. so hardly anybody knows what to do in those situations. A lot of people get lucky, but hardly any know what they are actually doing in an emergency maneuver.
VSC is on all the time on all models with all packages. This is just something we have to deal with thanks to all the people that can't drive and would sue Toyota when they crashed because the vehicle didn't save themgranger said:A-Trac does, not sure about the VSC
"A TRAC" is the same mode as AWD or Full-Time 4wd...there are two many damn names for the same freakin thing. Locking any diff, center or rear, will cancel this mode. A Trac is the selection to go from 4x2 to AWD and then locking the diff will make it 4wd with NO VSC OR TRAC. These systems are pretty damn good...I know you guys are against them and God knows I aint tryin to sell you on them but I think it'll grow on you. (even you race track trained guys.) and you can turn it off when you are going to offroad, because that IS when it gets intrusive.n6opv said:VSC is on all the time on all models with all packages. This is just something we have to deal with thanks to all the people that can't drive and would sue Toyota when they crashed because the vehicle didn't save themrant off)
That being said, let's just hope VSC is not too intrusive. On the other hand , the A-Trac button on the dash is to turn it ON. The default setting is OFF and you get to choose when you want to use it offroad. It will also still work when the rear diff lock is ON.
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