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My wife got an FJ 4X2 2 weeks ago and had a minor accident when another car ran a stop sign and she hit other vehicle in side. Progressive Insurance is repairing FJ so thought about upgrading front bumper to an ARB w/o winch. FJ had factory Toyota grille guard which shoved back into hood which jammed fender back. Frame is ok and drives good, just cosmetic damages. Not sure yet, but Shop estimates that leaving factory parts off repairs and ARB will be similar in cost and will install ARB while making repairs.

How much will ARB make front sag ? I had thought about leveling front w/spacer lift before accident and curious to what will be needed to level w/ARB bumper ?

We have lot of deer in the area and would like some front end protection to save myself some repairs if it happens.
 

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I have an ARB on my 4x2 and it sagged a lot for a day until I put the OME 883 springs in. The 4x2 front springs seem to have a lower load rating than the 4x4, so it makes sense that the ARB's weight will affect the 4x2 more.

The 883 springs with the ARB lifted the front end about 1/2" higher than the rear. I used the stock shocks too, although I should have upgraded them, I was tight on money. Had this set up for almost a year with no problems at all.

I would recommend the OME 883 coils over the spacer, or if you got the money, upgrade to a complete suspension kit.

Think of it this way, 4x2 weighs about 200lbs less than the 4x4 in the front because of no transfer case. So if you add the 160lbs ARB bumper in the front, it kind of has a similar weight up front to a stock 4x4.


Sorry to hear about the accident, but would you mind sharing pics of the damage. I would like to see how much more damage the brush guard caused.
 

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I would go with the 883 coils as well. Since the bumper weighs as much as it does and the 883 are the light spring in the OME lineup, I think you would almost be okay to run the stock shocks.
 

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My wife got an FJ 4X2 2 weeks ago and had a minor accident when another car ran a stop sign and she hit other vehicle in side. Progressive Insurance is repairing FJ so thought about upgrading front bumper to an ARB w/o winch. FJ had factory Toyota grille guard which shoved back into hood which jammed fender back. Frame is ok and drives good, just cosmetic damages. Not sure yet, but Shop estimates that leaving factory parts off repairs and ARB will be similar in cost and will install ARB while making repairs.

How much will ARB make front sag ? I had thought about leveling front w/spacer lift before accident and curious to what will be needed to level w/ARB bumper ?

We have lot of deer in the area and would like some front end protection to save myself some repairs if it happens.
]Go with a ARB and the proper springs.Now ur wife will be able to go through a wall.
 

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Thanks for the info. I may put the ARB on and then see how much I want to raise it. I may do a spacer lift to keep the soft 4X2 springs since this will be a on-road FJ.

I will try to post some pics and just got call from Progressive and repairs will be over $5200. Of course the plastic bumper is bad, but the upright on grille guard on driver side took direct shot and went back into the grille support which kinked hood some and forced driver side fender back just enough where door won't open. There would have been damage if didn't have grille guard but may have only been more local to grill/headlight area and may not have gotten fender. Oh well, many different ways to look at it but I don't doubt that if I had ARB then I wouldn't have all the body damage and since somebody else is paying for then might as well do the ARB.
 

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Thanks for the info. I may put the ARB on and then see how much I want to raise it. I may do a spacer lift to keep the soft 4X2 springs since this will be a on-road FJ.

I will try to post some pics and just got call from Progressive and repairs will be over $5200. Of course the plastic bumper is bad, but the upright on grille guard on driver side took direct shot and went back into the grille support which kinked hood some and forced driver side fender back just enough where door won't open. There would have been damage if didn't have grille guard but may have only been more local to grill/headlight area and may not have gotten fender. Oh well, many different ways to look at it but I don't doubt that if I had ARB then I wouldn't have all the body damage and since somebody else is paying for then might as well do the ARB.

There was quite a bit of nose dive when my ARB was one with the stock springs. I don't know if spacers will solve the problem, but my 883's sure did. I got my springs from Doug at Toytec for about $150 shipped IIRC.

The damage seems typical having a brush/grill guard. Thats why as soon as I found out, I took the one of my dad's 80 series (with his knowledge of course).
 

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I will try to post some pics and just got call from Progressive and repairs will be over $5200. Of course the plastic bumper is bad, but the upright on grille guard on driver side took direct shot and went back into the grille support which kinked hood some and forced driver side fender back just enough where door won't open. There would have been damage if didn't have grille guard but may have only been more local to grill/headlight area and may not have gotten fender. Oh well, many different ways to look at it but I don't doubt that if I had ARB then I wouldn't have all the body damage and since somebody else is paying for then might as well do the ARB.
That is why those "brush guards" are very commonly referred to as damage multipliers. In the even of an accident or hitting something lightly offroad, they typically bend back and do more damage than if you had nothing on the front.

The ARB is SOLID. I have had three people standing on it before, did not budge a mm. Even though it seems you want to shy away from the new springs, i would seriously consider them over the spacers. Spacers (that go between the spring and the top plate) will cost about the same to have installed and are almost the same price to buy. But are SOOO much better.
 

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You might try to get a set of OEM 4x4 front coils/shocks that someone has replaced. They should be readily available and provide the factory ride quality. If you can find someone with an ASSEMBLED set, the install will be very easy. Just make sure to identify the right and left side assemblies, they are probably different.

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Talked to the shop and putting ARB on is similar in cost as to replace stock front end parts so going with the ARB. After I get FJ back I will look at options to raise frontend. I like doing all my own work, but glad I don't have to install ARB myself.

Thanks for all the info. I am new to the FJ and glad I found this board.


Progressive insurance has been very good to deal with on this and wife will have to make a few trips to the chiropractor and Progressive has set up direct billing, etc..
 

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I'm very glad to hear Progressive is taking care of you and your FJ.

Now get a nice 3" lift, if not just the 4X4 spring/strut swap. Many members here just give away their stock 4X4 stuff, so it's just the install that will cost if you don't do it yourself.
 

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Thanks for the info. I may put the ARB on and then see how much I want to raise it. I may do a spacer lift to keep the soft 4X2 springs since this will be a on-road FJ.

I will try to post some pics and just got call from Progressive and repairs will be over $5200. Of course the plastic bumper is bad, but the upright on grille guard on driver side took direct shot and went back into the grille support which kinked hood some and forced driver side fender back just enough where door won't open. There would have been damage if didn't have grille guard but may have only been more local to grill/headlight area and may not have gotten fender. Oh well, many different ways to look at it but I don't doubt that if I had ARB then I wouldn't have all the body damage and since somebody else is paying for then might as well do the ARB.
Dude, my rig is an on-road rig and I have the full 3" OME lift with 883s in front. Added the 285s on Mother's Day and just LOVE the ride. I sit higher than others in traffic and the suspension makes driving around all day a whole lot more comfortable. Don't worry about the on-road/off-road stuff. Just do what you guys like!!!!

Kim:cheers:
 

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Dude, my rig is an on-road rig and I have the full 3" OME lift with 883s in front. Added the 285s on Mother's Day and just LOVE the ride. I sit higher than others in traffic and the suspension makes driving around all day a whole lot more comfortable. Don't worry about the on-road/off-road stuff. Just do what you guys like!!!!

Kim:cheers:
Hey Kim, I actually remember you telling me you had the 884/895 setup when I was shopping for my lift. The 883's Level a 4x4 and would a little more than level a 4x2. For this application, they seem like they would be perfect to me if they dont want additional lift.

I'm not trying to correct you, but I don't want anybody to get confused either.
 

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Hey Kim, I actually remember you telling me you had the 884/895 setup when I was shopping for my lift. The 883's Level a 4x4 and would a little more than level a 4x2. For this application, they seem like they would be perfect to me if they dont want additional lift.

I'm not trying to correct you, but I don't want anybody to get confused either.

I have 883's and an ARB on my 4x2. The front was about 1/2" higher in the front than in the rear without anything in the back.

So for having an ARB on a 4x2, the 883's would be a good choice, a better choice would be adjustable coilovers, but thats a lot more money.
 

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Hey Kim, I actually remember you telling me you had the 884/895 setup when I was shopping for my lift. The 883's Level a 4x4 and would a little more than level a 4x2. For this application, they seem like they would be perfect to me if they dont want additional lift.

I'm not trying to correct you, but I don't want anybody to get confused either.
Landy, I was having a "senior" moment. My rig is up 3" and not leveled so it is the 884/885 setup. Geez, I gotta pay attention here!

Kim:cheers:
 

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Got the FJ back w/ARB and installed a 2.5 lift spacer last night and FJ is level. I will get alignment checked but it drives perfectly straight and I really didn't expect it to. Bump stops were getting used so lift will stop/reduce that some and smooth out the ride.

Also, I pulled my boat for first time last weekend w/FJ and it did extremely well. The boat is 20' w/V-8 on tandem axle trailer and have pulled it in the past with my F-150 or Excursion and was really impressed with how well it pulled, drove, and stopped w/FJ. I had a Sequoia several yrs ago and it pulled the boat well also. I was wondering about the V-6 having enough power but it had no problem.
 

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Well, the small panel at bottom corner of windshield wouldn't stay on so body shop had to order some more clips and I see on this forum that these panels are problems now. While trying to get the panel back on the windshield cracked so getting new windshield now which is good because while driving last night I took a direct shot from large rock kicked up by oncoming truck that put large spot half dollar size in windshield. It would have upset me except I knew was getting new windshield anyway.
 
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