I've got the AR ATX Thugs (with rivets) with Nitto Terra Grapplers (LT285/70-17) on my FJ with a Donahoe (IVD) suspension system. The wheels and tires look awesome! The tires stick outside the fender flares just a little bit giving it a more agressive stance. The recommended backspacing for that size wheel/tire combo is 4.5". I've experienced no tire rubbing with this combo during normal street driving. However when offroading and and under severe articulation a little bit of rubbing does occur. I would definitely recommend a body mount chop for your peace of mind. Go for the Thugs!anybody have ATX Thugs?