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I bought some new LED lights and a flasher relay and installed them and noticed a strange issue. When the headlights are off, everything works ok, but when I turn the headlights ON, I am greeted with some dash warning lights (in photo) as soon as I use my turn signals, and the tail lights both blink along with the turn signal. Either right or left. This only seems to be happening when my headlights are on though.
I did try going back to the original bulbs (eliminating my new stuff from the equation) and the same issue was present. This issue was not present until I attempted to replace some bulbs. I have read a few posts saying that it could be the brake switch, but so far the brake lights seem to be working as expected. I do not see any frayed or chewed wires, so I don't know if I can point a finger at the squirrels yet either. I do not notice anything else with any other lights. I did check in the fuse box (inside and under hood) and I could not find any blown fuses.

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Is this something that any of y'all have seen? I'm located in Sacramento, CA too if anyone has any suggestions for a shop that's good with FJ electrical, should it come to that.

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Maybe it is the flasher relay but it appears you removed it as well correct?

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Indeed I did. Went back to the original bulbs and the flasher relay (which was a pain to get to on the back of the fuse panel) and the problem persists.

I'll drop by a nearby auto parts store and see if it's throwing a code.
 

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Pull the fuse for the headlights and then try and turn them on and test and see what happens... You mentioned the flasher relay was in a tight spot, maybe you disturbed something. Take some pics with your camera and zoom in, it may show something.

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Pull the fuse for the headlights and then try and turn them on and test and see what happens... You mentioned the flasher relay was in a tight spot, maybe you disturbed something. Take some pics with your camera and zoom in, it may show something.

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I tried this. Only thing that happened was no headlights. I did pick up a couple spare fuses and a fuse tester today, though.

edit: I just remembered... I replaced both mirror lights, and both license plate lights as well. facepalm I did not put those back to factory yet because one of the old bulbs was dead.
 

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I tried this. Only thing that happened was no headlights. I did pick up a couple spare fuses and a fuse tester today, though.

edit: I just remembered... I replaced both mirror lights, and both license plate lights as well. facepalm I did not put those back to factory yet because one of the old bulbs was dead.
Sorry... When you pulled the fuse for the headlights the dash light alarms went away or were they still there when you turned the headlights on? Just trying to connect the dots...

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Sorry... When you pulled the fuse for the headlights the dash light alarms went away or were they still there when you turned the headlights on? Just trying to connect the dots...

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ah! at that point, I had no lights. No headlights, no working lights. I'm about to make an update, it got even stranger. lol.
 

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1800 Update:

Went to the store and got some stock tail light bulbs and turn signal bulbs. I did not touch any of the other bulbs.

Put new cheap $4 Sylvania bulbs in both turn signal and tail lights. put the stock flasher relay back in place. everything worked.

Put the CF-18 smart tap flasher relay on with"normal" bulbs. Everything worked.

put the LED turn signals in. everything worked. (head scratching occurred too.)

Hmm. Then I tried both of the red LED tail light units on the right side (leaving a Sylvania bulb on the opposite side) and everything worked.

tried both of the red LED tail light units on the left side, and they both worked. so I have established that each bulb does work by itself.

scratched my head again, and removed the Sylvania cheapie bulb and put the red LED tail light units back in.. one on each side, and my problem came back. Dashboard lights came on, just like before.

it seems like the problem only happens when I have BOTH of the red LED tail light units in place. The LED turn signals are working as expected.

Right now I have Sylvania bulbs for tail lights, diode dynamic LED turn signals, and the CF-18 SmartTap flasher relay, and everything is working as expected. Oh, and LED license plate bulbs, LED mirror light bulbs, and I think Sylvania headlamp bulbs. I never touched anything up front, it's all standard stuff. I was only working on the back.
 

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This is good to know. There must be some sort of weird current flow in the system with LED's in the taillight position messing with the CAN, so no replacing the taillights with LED's I guess.
 

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I have led brake lamps, they flash three times before going steady on. That is by lamp design but point being maybe pick up one or two different brake lamps and try them.


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This is good to know. There must be some sort of weird current flow in the system with LED's in the taillight position messing with the CAN, so no replacing the taillights with LED's I guess.
I did reach out to the vendor again with the updated troubleshooting information, and they had already sent out a new set of bulbs for me to try out and see if it still happens.

post office has been pretty slow but when they get here, I'll give them a try and see what happens. this may have been as simple as "oops, J got a defective part." It's been kind of fun trying to figure out, though. Helps fill up some of my abundant free time. :D
 

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Well, the same thing happens with a new set of bulbs. Really strange.

Currently everything is working normal with the LED turn signals and the cheap Sylvania bulbs.

I'm going to leave it as is for now since everything I have on there is working and will re-visit it later.
 

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Update! It gets a little weirder.
I bought some new reverse lights. They work ok.
I bought new front turn signal LED bulbs too. They also work. I can only plug them in one way, so at least I know they aren't backwards. :)

Now when I hit the brake pedal, both of the turn signal indicators on the dash light up, but only about 50% brightness.

If my headlights are on, the front turn signals also seem to be on at 50%.

Another thing that I noticed - I do not seem to have DRL working. I did not notice this until today. I do not know if everything is related, but I can't dismiss it as a possibility.

EDIT: my DRL is working. I forgot that you have to take the parking brake off first. My bad.

EDIT 2: I decided to check the battery. The manufacture date was back in 2015, so perhaps that was the culprit. Tested it at Napa auto parts, and sure enough, it was starting to fail. I bought a new battery, put it in, and now when I press the brake pedal, the turn signal indicators remain OFF like normal!

Progress? Sort of. Now when I turn the headlights on, the left turn indicator on the dash comes on at 50% brightness. The right one remains off.

EDIT 3: at this point, it seems like the majority of the problems happen when I turn my headlights on. The headlamp bulbs are normal ones. I have not changed them, as they still work. Both high beam and low beam work normally.
 

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Doing some more testing. I bought some inexpensive bulbs off of Amazon to see what happens. Oddly enough, the front ones are cooperating a lot more. At least now when I have parking/head lights on, and turn signals on, and I hit the brake, the front ones blink normally instead of just staying on.

Also I was curious... is this rear wiring harness supposed to look like this? The one that's dangling out is the tail light. I have a normal bulb in there.
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Also I was curious... is this rear wiring harness supposed to look like this? The one that's dangling out is the tail light. I have a normal bulb in there.
That isn't how it left the Hino plant. Do you have aftermarket trailer wiring?
 
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