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If you are experiencing body rips or bulges with your FJ, what setup are you running?

  • Stock bumper, no lift

    Votes: 147 28.9%
  • Stock bumper, w/lift

    Votes: 51 10.0%
  • Stock bumper, w/lift and 285/70 17's

    Votes: 51 10.0%
  • ARB bumper, no lift

    Votes: 6 1.2%
  • ARB bumper, with lift

    Votes: 22 4.3%
  • ARB bumper, w/lift and 285/70 17's

    Votes: 44 8.6%
  • WARN bumper, no lift

    Votes: 7 1.4%
  • WARN bumper, w/lift

    Votes: 14 2.8%
  • WARN bumper w/lift and 285/70 17's

    Votes: 18 3.5%
  • ARB bumper, w/lift, and 255/85 16's

    Votes: 3 0.6%
  • ARB bumper, w/lift and 315/75 16's

    Votes: 8 1.6%
  • Demello bumper, no lift

    Votes: 2 0.4%
  • Demello bumper, w/lift

    Votes: 13 2.6%
  • Demello bumper, w/lift and 285/70 17's

    Votes: 14 2.8%
  • Road Armour bumper, no lift

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Road Armour bumper, w/lift

    Votes: 10 2.0%
  • Road Armour bumper, w/lift and 285/70 17's

    Votes: 12 2.4%
  • All-Pro Bumper, no lift

    Votes: 5 1.0%
  • All-Pro Bumper, w/ Lift

    Votes: 16 3.1%
  • All-Pro Bumper, w/ lift & 285s

    Votes: 32 6.3%
  • Stock with Skid Plates

    Votes: 34 6.7%

  • Total voters
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Discussion Starter #1 (Edited)
PLEASE PM ME, LANDROVER OR DRAGON YOUR CONFIGURATION IF YOU ARE EXPERIENCING BULGES OR RIPS IN YOUR FENDERS AND DO NOT SEE IT ON THE LIST.

ALSO PM ME, LANDROVER OR DRAGON IF YOU VOTED THE POLL BY MISTAKE AND WE'LL REMOVE YOUR VOTE. DON'T BE SHY, WE ALL MAKE MISTAKES SOMETIMES:) IF YOU WANT TO SEE THE RESULTS OF THE POLL WITHOUT VOTING, JUST CLICK ON THE LINK IN THE POLL WINDOW THAT SAYS "VIEW POLL RESULTS".


I was cleaning my TRD CA and noticed that my body was ripping. I have a Warn Bumper and the OME heavy lift. The vehicle is mainly used as a trail rig and has never been jumped.




I know this has happened to others on this forum and would like to know what Toyota has done or said. It appears to me that this is a weak spot or there is to much flex allowed. Please any info would be helpful before I take it in to Toyota.


(edit) Toyota is taking care of most FJ's that are showing the signs a bulge or a rip. They are doing it under warranty. The work involves replacing the inner aprons with the newer style apron. This is not a true fix. For as we know( If you have read through this thread) the newer aprons are also bulging along with aprons that have been replaced.

As of today 09-02-2011 the last apron repair is still holding up. No bulges or ripping. I believe that with the platform change and new apron design Toyota has finally solved this problem.


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Since the bumper is bolted to the frame, it should not affect the body at all.
 

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Since the bumper is bolted to the frame, it should not affect the body at all.
that is true...never thought about that...lol... so if he dosnt jump it what would cause it?
does the bumper slide into the upper holder like the factory one? because that is not frame thats body...
 

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There are some nice early Broncos and Scouts on Ebay for those needing a 4x4 to take off road on trails, just fyi.
 

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You said you never jumped the vehicle....The same type of body damage that looks like what you have I've seen on here from members that have jumped or that have taken very hard hits (drops). If you look at Air2air's vehicle, this is the same place where his damage happend, his quote was $15,000 worth to fix and I have to tell you, yours is worse then his was....Sorry to hear about it, thats not good. That shows some serious stress cracking....Keep us informed on what happens :(
 

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With only 3 of these reported out of all the FJs on the forum. It would really be nice to hear the whole story on this. This is fishy. Lot's of us wheel extensively, with the same options, and no trouble. Physics isn't random. Is there any more you might be able to tell us? It might be a rare metal defect, but it's hard to imagine.

EDIT: Read my post again. Please don't think I'm doubting your word. I'm just looking for more info. Another thought, have you had a lot of high speed rutted or washboards? Maybe it's something in the design of the ome/shock and their rates. Have you pulled anyone, or had to yank from your bumper tow points. This is so ugly and strange. Makes one a bit worried.
 

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I was cleaning my TRD CA and noticed that my body was ripping. I have a Warn Bumper and the OME heavy lift. The vehicle is mainly used as a trail rig and has never been jumped.




I know this has happend to others on this forum and would like to know what Toyota has done or said. It appears to me that this is a weak spot or there is to much flex alowed. Please any info would be helpful before I take it in to Toyota.
That looks like fatigue failure (ocurring over many repetitive cycles ). Even if you had jumped it and it failed it would not look like that. Do you know how long it took to develop that crack? It doesn't look it failed at a weld but there does seem a bend that was stamped in the sheet metal right next to that point. This is where fatigue would occur.

Is it by any chance directly above the front suspension mounts? I can't tell from the picture, but I will look at mine and try to reference the location from the photos. If this is the case, the stiffer springs could have contributed. The bumper is attached to the frame, and theoretically it could cause the frame to flex. However, the overhang of the bumper from the front wheels is short so leverage is minimal.

Either way make sure you get as much info as possible and have a solid argument before you see the dealer. You will only get one chance to provide a convincing argument to the adjuster.

Also the obvious, do not go off-road until you get it settled because you may end up paying the repair bill.
 

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Guys,

There are several cases out there which describe the exact same phenomenon.
I'm dealing with it too! So far, Toyota ignores it. The fact is that the tire runs into the body on full upward travel. This means that the bump stop is insufficient. YOU DO NOT NEED TO JUMP THE CAR TO HAVE THIS HAPPEN! Inspecting several vehicles, it shows that the tire clearances against the body are all over the place on this vehicle. This means, some vehicles have an issue, some not. Just inspect your front body mounts and check on the height of the rubber piece between left and right. This gives you an idea of how much variation there is...

People who have encountered this problem: please contact me with your email address. The more people we get together the more pressure we can put on Toyota to fix this issue - Thanks!
 

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Guys,

There are several cases out there which describe the exact same phenomenon.
I'm dealing with it too! So far, Toyota ignores it. The fact is that the tire runs into the body on full upward travel. This means that the bump stop is insufficient.

This is true if you're running oversize tires.
 

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Guys,

There are several cases out there which describe the exact same phenomenon.
I'm dealing with it too! So far, Toyota ignores it. The fact is that the tire runs into the body on full upward travel. This means that the bump stop is insufficient. YOU DO NOT NEED TO JUMP THE CAR TO HAVE THIS HAPPEN! Inspecting several vehicles, it shows that the tire clearances against the body are all over the place on this vehicle. This means, some vehicles have an issue, some not. Just inspect your front body mounts and check on the height of the rubber piece between left and right. This gives you an idea of how much variation there is...

People who have encountered this problem: please contact me with your email address. The more people we get together the more pressure we can put on Toyota to fix this issue - Thanks!
So the theory is that the tire is being jammed into the actual body? Is there a relation to tire type and size? Man this is awful for you guys.
 

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True, oversize tire doesn't help it. But the Toyota dealerships offer this vehicle new with 33in tires, which I run as well. I think it can also happen with the original 32 in tires. I will try to prove this...
 

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I have no experience with these, but if they limit the upward travel sufficiently it would help... definatly something to check out!
 

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I did some quick searching, here and on TTORA. I think I'll look into these before larger tires:

Double Convolution Springs - Timbren Aeon Hollow Rubber Springs

I stuck with stock size BFGs even with a Donahoe front and rear lift because I feared the repercussions of the small wheel well and body mount chop. Man did I get flamed for posting that opinion way back when, but better safe than sorry. I think that gives me a bit more leeway than even stock FJs as far as the stops go.
 

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OK, I have a question about your lifts. I've never put a lift in a vehicle and don't know much about them, so bear with me. When you install your body/suspension lifts, do you have bigger spacers for the most forward set of body mounts (right behind fromt bumper attach points)? If this is not adequately spaced, I can see where there would be lots of stress in the area where the failure occurred.
 
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