tufftorq said:Kzoocruiser said:I'm somewhat confused...you say you joined a motorcycle club and almost joined a full-size club. It's pretty obvious through your posts that you don't feel that there are enough groups working together for the same goal or the members of these groups frankly don't care about your stance and opinions?
I've sent cash into many more clubs than that all around this country and belive me...."caring about my stance or opinion" has never stopped me from writing those checks to either orv clubs or the youth training programs that we started/supported in our area.
"...Have you contacted TLCA's land use cat Greg Mumm? I understand that he's looking for some help...."
I have contacted Mr. Mumm, who promised to get back to me after an unagreed to time while investigating why the "shared trails" portion of his national group's motto or their group's recent pledge to be more "involved" in issues 'out east' hasn't necessarily apllied to the single largest maintained trail system in this country. I have faith that he will do so; yet the issues Michigan has faced in the the months since we last spoke we're moving darn fast at the time and even more so now. As each day that passes after informing national orv groups of anonymous secret councils, cancelled public meetings for 6 months at a time, behind-closed-doors multi-million dollar funding committees, single use trail lobbying outside the community and a myriad of other nonsense issues far to numerous to list here....one begins to wonder if the average 'peon' orver outside of these spheres of influence are expected to just sit back and watch these guys steam roller the most IMPORTANT of our issues right on through.
To answer your question....every one of these national groups has been informed of this mess for months or even years involving (again) the largest sytem out there.
To date...I have not received one formal or informal denial concerning any of the facts that I have presented over these long seven years....and (IMO) the continued silence from each and every one of these individuals/organizations pretty muchl tells the story that none of want to hear.
I'm sorry, but if anybody can name me one state with a bigger trail system in a more critical period in its history that these national guys solicit our monies to be "right on top of"....please list it here and now.
If you can't...then please tell me why every one of these guys circle the damn wagons when many of their own have not only acted badly....BUT DESTROYED THE OPPORTUNITY FOR MANY TO GET INVOLVED IN THE FUTURE.
Every one of these national groups has their cute little slogan or buzz words for working together and educating others. The problem I've discovered is that the hear, speak and see no evil mantra is one heck of a lot more ingrained in their daily efforts than listening to those questioning what in the heck is actually going on.
The rest of your comments directly relate to the tired, old and frankly insulting mantera that every single one of these guys use when somebody 'dares' ask that the moat be opened around these large and small ;local and national orv non-profits.
Tell me something...is it any wonder why we see very few younger age adults seeking to get involved in orv politics...when every single orv leader that they come into contact with rudely puts them under the lights regarding "'welllll, what have you done" and "well by gosh we did this" before he can even get his question or suggestion out?