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As said, the ARB is probably the best value for the money new, but I personally really like my second-hand Demello steel bumper. I got it super cheap because the previous owner killed a deer with it at ~45mph and his insurance bought him a new one. All it took to get it back into fighting shape was a bottle jack and a 2x4 to push the panel with the logo back to straight. The structural parts of the bumper are all still straight and strong. Jason and the crew at Demello are very friendly and helpful as well.
I haven't gotten around to putting in a winch yet, so can't speak to that aspect of the ARB/Exp1/DO comparison.
 

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@jimmy-buffett "No that the Expedition One bumpers can't take a deer hit."

Why?
Sorry, I meant this as "NOT that the Expedition One bumpers can't take a deer hit".

Having handled and installed both on several trucks (these are probably the two I've done the most), the mounting to the front frame ends isn't substantially different to make a difference for one over the other. My impression of the grill guard portions of the two bumpers is that the ARB is a bit stronger. First, the tubing is a good bit thicker on the ARB. Second, the center pieces on the ARB is more reinforced than how the Expedition One tubing goes through in the center.

This isn't to take away from the Expedition One -- it's the bumper I chose on both my FJ and 4Runner -- but if you told me to design a truck to chase down and run over deer, I'd pick the ARB.
 

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Any help with lighting options? I don't have the option for a rack mounted light bar due to garage height limitations. Are bumper mounted lights just for on road use? I don't see much fog. My typical use case is I am going down a forest road at night looking for a camping spot or I got out of the woods a little late and need some help until I hit pavement.


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Baja Designs Squadron-R Pro Pair Spot LED (Round Black Bezel) 454.99
PIAA 530 LED Drive 254.15
PIAA 510 SW- Night Tech Drive Beam
PIAA 510 Fog 254.15
PIAA 510 ION (Yellow) Fog Beam 254.15
PIAA 520 ION (Yellow) Halogen Lights 279.95
PIAA 520 Xtreme White Plus Lights 330.00
PIAA 530 LED Driving 254.15
PIAA 530 LED Fog
PIAA LP 530 3.5" LED Back-Up Flood Light Kit 169.15
Hella Optilux 2500 69.99
Hella Optilux 4" LED Fog 250.99
 

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Any help with lighting options? I don't have the option for a rack mounted light bar due to garage height limitations. Are bumper mounted lights just for on road use? I don't see much fog. My typical use case is I am going down a forest road at night looking for a camping spot or I got out of the woods a little late and need some help until I hit pavement.
You gain two things by mounting a light up high: light bars have a lot more LEDs and being high they have a little bit of down angle. Problem is that light bars are $$$.

On both my FJ and 4Runner I've run Ridgid Dually LEDs in the bumper, they provide much better light than your headlights -- in both low beam or high -- and will make a big difference. But I wouldn't expect 8 more LEDs to light up the Earth like a good light bar will. They will just provide a bit more than your stock headlights.

On the FJ a good combo with bumper lights is to run your headlights on high beams, that way they cover up high and the bumper lights cover down low. Can't do this on the 4Runner (the computer disables the LEDs when the headlights are on high) but on the FJ you can.
 

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Any help with lighting options? I don't have the option for a rack mounted light bar due to garage height limitations. Are bumper mounted lights just for on road use? I don't see much fog. My typical use case is I am going down a forest road at night looking for a camping spot or I got out of the woods a little late and need some help until I hit pavement.


BAJA Designs Squadron Sport Drive/Combo Round (Black Round Bezel) $254.99
Baja Designs Squadron Sport Led Spot Round (Black Round Bezel) 254.99
Baja Designs Squadron-R Pro Pair Driving/Combo LED( Black Round Bezel) 454.99Piaa 530 LED Fog 254.15
Baja Designs Squadron-R Pro Pair Spot LED (Round Black Bezel) 454.99
PIAA 530 LED Drive 254.15
PIAA 510 SW- Night Tech Drive Beam
PIAA 510 Fog 254.15
PIAA 510 ION (Yellow) Fog Beam 254.15
PIAA 520 ION (Yellow) Halogen Lights 279.95
PIAA 520 Xtreme White Plus Lights 330.00
PIAA 530 LED Driving 254.15
PIAA 530 LED Fog
PIAA LP 530 3.5" LED Back-Up Flood Light Kit 169.15
Hella Optilux 2500 69.99
Hella Optilux 4" LED Fog 250.99
I run these floods on my front bumper and they work very well. Don't let the off brand fool you - these have outlasted and performed many of the big name lights. I'm getting ready to order another pair because you can never have to much light....right?

https://www.nilight.com/collections/frontpage/products/nilight-2pcs-51w-black-7-flood-round-led-work-lights-off-road-fog-driving-roof-bar-bumper-for-suv-boat-jeep-lamp-2-years-warranty?variant=26252268873

I run this lightbar on the roof, nice slim profile, good output, spot only configuration. It has been holding up very well to the condition over the last couple years. Plus it comes with isolators to eliminate the harmonic drone.

https://www.roughcountry.com/50-inch-curved-led-light-bar-72750bl.html
 

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My suggestion is go with a TJM Bumper vs ARB. The two companies make their bumpers in their home country - Australia.

I did a lot of research and actually compared the two bumpers installed on FJ. I also got feedback from each owner.

Despite the similar looks between the ARB and TJM, I prefer the TJM bumper over the ARB. Why? (1) The round tube is much beefier on the TJM. (2) There's more room to mount monster lights on the bumper on the TJM. and (3) There are heavy duty steel plates covering the undersides of the left and right lower wings of the bumper to protect the engine compartment from flying debris and keeps debris from entering the engine compartment from the fender wells.

IMHO, I think the TJM bumper is better designed and built than the ARB.

Heres a photo for your reference.

Happy trailing.

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FYR, one other thing. A member mentioned modification was necessary on aftermarket bumpers for FJ. I don't know about other manufacturer's bumpers needing modifications to make it fit - i.e., the washer bottle or other stuff i.e., transmission lines.

I know for TJM bumpers for FJ, both manual and automatic transmissions, NO MODS are necessary. HOWEVER, make sure you get the correct bumper dependent on whether you have a MT or AT.

I have been told that the powder coat finish and the welding on this bumper is the best anyone has seen on a bumper, I agree - flawlessly beautiful.

Happy trailing...
 

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1. I've installed or help to install pretty much every major bumper made for the FJ, including the Demello. I'm not a fan. Control box mounting is always an issue and everything on this bumper is a tight fit.
There are tradeoffs in everything...that tight fit is because the Demello is the most tucked in and up of all the bumpers I have seen. Some of them are just massive slabs of metal hanging way off the front. Great for bashing deer I imagine, but sucks from a weight distribution and approach angle standpoint, and many of them just look ungainly IMO.

But as I said there are tradeoffs in everything, the OP will just have to decide what attributes are important to him.
 
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Just wanted to update to this thread.

We started adding solenoid mounting to the inside of our bumpers along with slotted holes for the winch so it can be adjusted.
Thanks Jason, you anticipated the phone call I was about to make on this very matter.
 

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At what point in the process should I install a aux transmission cooler? Before bumper install, after install or does it matter at all? Going with the Hayden 679?
 

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Dear Goat242,

There are only two “safe” places to put a cooler of the size you’re considering (11x11)

What is the purpose of the cooler? Is the cooler’s main purpose to cool the tranny when towing? Or is the purpose for cooling during heavy duty 4X4?

If the purpose is to use the cooler for towing, the only place to put the cooler is in front of the condenser. If the purpose is for cooling during 4X4, the best place is to add an electric fan and place it in the engine compartment. You will not have any room for the cooler and an electric fan in front of the condenser. Why is this option not recommended? Because a cooler in front of the condenser WILL NOT get enough airflow at low speeds to cool the tranny while 4X4ing.

It is always best to install a cooler before completely mounting the bumper because most aftermarket bumpers may require tranny line mods because of obstruction during install or modification for safety from exposure to sudden impact from aftermarket bumper’s lack of protection of the stock line location.
 

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Pulled the trigger on the DO evil eye aluminum. Added the winch and lights and got the fathers day discount. This is the bumper I zeroed in on a few years ago and I'm sticking with it. Looks like it will be multiple months before delivery which will give me plenty of time to research the electrical aspect of this install which is new ground for me.
 

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At what point in the process should I install a aux transmission cooler? Before bumper install, after install or does it matter at all? Going with the Hayden 679?
I would install it before the bumper. If you have a bumper with hoops then it will make it a little more awkward. The cooler is an easy install and some good threads on how to do it. I mounted mine to the left side of the radiator using existing holes etc to mount.
 

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@Goat242 good choice. I have a Demello rear bumper and am impressed with their detail for strengthening etc.

My suggestion is go with a TJM Bumper vs ARB. The two companies make their bumpers in their home country - Australia.

I did a lot of research and actually compared the two bumpers installed on FJ. I also got feedback from each owner.

Despite the similar looks between the ARB and TJM, I prefer the TJM bumper over the ARB. Why? (1) The round tube is much beefier on the TJM. (2) There's more room to mount monster lights on the bumper on the TJM. and (3) There are heavy duty steel plates covering the undersides of the left and right lower wings of the bumper to protect the engine compartment from flying debris and keeps debris from entering the engine compartment from the fender wells.

IMHO, I think the TJM bumper is better designed and built than the ARB.

I had a TJM on my old 70 series. Apart from being insanely heavy it proved to have a major flaw in the design, much like many other bumpers available, which is a weakness where the cut outs were for the winch. A very minor rub on a tree and the centre plate kinked.

My big hate of both ARB and TJM is they have a very generic design for all fitments and to me that means the styling of the vehicle is lost, morphing into that single ARB look.
 

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@Goat242 good choice. I have a Demello rear bumper and am impressed with their detail for strengthening etc.


I had a TJM on my old 70 series. Apart from being insanely heavy it proved to have a major flaw in the design, much like many other bumpers available, which is a weakness where the cut outs were for the winch. A very minor rub on a tree and the centre plate kinked.

My big hate of both ARB and TJM is they have a very generic design for all fitments and to me that means the styling of the vehicle is lost, morphing into that single ARB look.
I was not familiar with the 70 Series bumpers so I looked at it online. You are correct, the bumper on the 70 Series LC was not designed very well. Basically it is just a simple “C Channel” bumper design. I can see how a little hit would cause alignment issues.

However, the OP and I are talking about 2006-2014 FJ bumpers. If you look at the bumpers for the two different vehicles, you will see that the FJ bumper is better designed structurally with compound angles in the middle and ends. This multiple folded design creates a much stronger bumper. Comparing the FJ and the 70 bumpers are night and day different.

I can attest to the TJM bull bar bumper because I have had it installed on three FJs that I’ve owned - 2006, 2008 & 2014. The reason I no longer own the 2006 & 2008 is because I put over 175,000 miles on each and both were driven in heavily salted environment. I currently moved to Texas and drive the 2014 FJ. All three custom ordered from Japan with the options I wanted.

Once the bumpers are properly installed, the bumper is very solid. I’ve never had any issues.
 

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I was not familiar with the 70 Series bumpers so I looked at it online. You are correct, the bumper on the 70 Series LC was not designed very well. Basically it is just a simple “C Channel” bumper design. I can see how a little hit would cause alignment issues.



However, the OP and I are talking about 2006-2014 FJ bumpers. If you look at the bumpers for the two different vehicles, you will see that the FJ bumper is better designed structurally with compound angles in the middle and ends. This multiple folded design creates a much stronger bumper. Comparing the FJ and the 70 bumpers are night and day different.



I can attest to the TJM bull bar bumper because I have had it installed on three FJs that I’ve owned - 2006, 2008 & 2014. The reason I no longer own the 2006 & 2008 is because I put over 175,000 miles on each and both were driven in heavily salted environment. I currently moved to Texas and drive the 2014 FJ. All three custom ordered from Japan with the options I wanted.



Once the bumpers are properly installed, the bumper is very solid. I’ve never had any issues.


Yes I am well aware that the discussion is about bumpers for FJ’s I was just raising a point that all the TJMs and ARB’s have the same design regardless of model. I wasn’t discussing how many miles they cover or quality of coating in respect to salt just a weakness in design if they are ‘sprung’ lightly on a corner


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Finished the washer relocation. I left the OEM washer in place and gently pulled out the pumps.This ground screw got wrapped. I also wrapped the edge of the bracket since it was touching the large hose that goes into the firewall. What is this hose? It's the lower hose in the first picture and in the center of the picture with the bracket.
 

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