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While looking through all of the different threads and manufacturers on suspension. I weighed out the advantages and disadvantages, I could see in some of the set-ups.
I decided to give Overland Warehouse a call and discuss their suspension system.
I was impressed with Mark and Andries, because I thought that had really good reasons why they teamed up with Radflo, to build a system that worked within their parameters.
They wanted to be able to custom tune and provide systems with all the weight and driving requirements.
Since I have had a few different set-ups on my rig, I didn’t want to settle for just good enough. I know what is most popular, but that doesn’t necessarily mean it fits for everyone.
I pulled the plug and ordered the full system. Andries actually worked with me on making sure the valving and spring rate was correct for my rig. He even made sure my weight distribution was taken into account.

Since I have experience installing suspension, it wasn’t a problem when it arrived. My rig was in the garage, on jack stands, with most of the tools ready. I did go over the downloaded instructions for a refresher. It was actually a good reference to have all the tools necessary out and ready.

Since the rear springs came first, I went ahead and installed them right away. I just left the shocks off till the rest of it came the next day.




For giggles, I went down my road with no rear shocks, it’s a 25 mph with long speed bumps. I got a chuckle out of the bounce.

Every thing else came the next day. Rear shocks, coilovers, hardware, extended bump stops, brake line relocate, sway bar relocate and I also ordered a spanner wrench, which is a very nice design..
The packaging was really nice and they looked sexy


First I installed the coilovers and swaybar relocate, then the brake bracket, bump stops and rear shocks.



Then I adjusted the coilovers after taking a few measurements. At first I was going for level, but after talking to Andries he suggest not cranking them down as much so I have about 1” difference from front to back. That improved the ride quality and response too.


Maiden Voyage was King of the Hammers, Loaded like I was going on an expedition, RTT, food, firewood, clothes, and whatever else I thought I would need.

On the highway to rode smooth and stable. At the hammers, it got a workout just getting to what would be our campsite in the middle of nowhere. Just the way we wanted it. It turns out we were right by a high speed pass section of the course. That was awesome to see the racers cranking by, with their hair on fire.


After returning, I got busy and my truck sat collecting dust until last weekend, when I decided to go test out the flex and performance, on a scenic trail. On the speed sections of getting to the trail, it responded smooth and responsive
A test flex shot




It flexes well over obstacles, without all the after bounce I was used to. with my previous set-up.

I am very happy with the results, I can now focus on my next upgrade.
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Thanks Mike
I hope I run into you in Tucson again :cheers:
Downey Racing I think they were bilsteins. They just were not comparable to this set-up
I do have video of this trail. I a learning the software to make some youtubes to post here .
Note: The extra camera on the hood
 

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Ok, I dont get the bump stop spacer!! The bump that is inside of the coil is designed to hit first not the frame mounted bumps! Whats the reasoning be hind it? Your losing travel, no other Suspension Co. is running them?? Just looking out for you bud dont want you damaging you axle !!
 

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The internal coil bump stop has never taken load with larger tires on. I always stuffed my inner fenders with serious rub marks. Really, the only reason they were installed in my case was that it provided, a non metallic surface, on top of the coil, to prevent the twang noises, from the top of the coil while flexing. The flex I am loosing is only preventing serious rub on the inner fender wells. Jon (BellyDoc), installed bump stop extensions, on his FJC for the same reason, with 35" tires.
I may be able to shorten my bump stop extension, because I have a 1" body lift too. If I didn't have that, I wouldn't have any room. I just have a few more options with my set up.
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You guys are talking about the cone inside the rear spring? I never thought that was supposed to be a bumpstop... doesn't seem like it has any structure to it (maybe it'll do some bumping, but it's not gonna do any stopping :lol: ).

Furthermore, what's the argument that the frame bumpstop is going to damage the axle?
 

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True, you will loose uptravel with the bump stop spacer but it prevents the tire from rubbing the wells. Plus, whatever you loose in uptravel you gain back in down travel since the shocks are longer. I'm running the same Radflo/OW rear shocks with extended sway bar links and AP 3.5" springs. Mine are valved a little different to compensate for the heavier rear bumper.
 

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Ok, I dont get the bump stop spacer!! The bump that is inside of the coil is designed to hit first not the frame mounted bumps! Whats the reasoning be hind it? Your losing travel, no other Suspension Co. is running them?? Just looking out for you bud dont want you damaging you axle !!
The spacer is used to limit up travel on the rear axle when flexing. This makes it easier to fit larger tires as described above. Also the rear kit described here is the extended travel kit, so it actually uses rear shocks that are quite a bit longer, thus actually allowing more travel with more droop on the shock.

The additional benefit is a longer shock body with more fluid and surface area, thus giving high speed performance with lower shock temps.

Additionally most of the 6" lift lowers their rear bumpstops, as well as Allpro sells an extension as well to allow larger tires.
 

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You guys are talking about the cone inside the rear spring? I never thought that was supposed to be a bumpstop... doesn't seem like it has any structure to it (maybe it'll do some bumping, but it's not gonna do any stopping :lol: ).


Furthermore, what's the argument that the frame bumpstop is going to damage the axle?
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I really didn't even touch on that aspect in my reply, but I thought the same thing. Even at full compression that inner cone never hits the coil perch. I was just trying to point out that it is a normal practice to extend the bump stop. I also don't get the argument about causing axle damage. It's not like I am slamming the bump stops with high speed desert racing.

The spacer is used to limit up travel on the rear axle when flexing. This makes it easier to fit larger tires as described above. Also the rear kit described here is the extended travel kit, so it actually uses rear shocks that are quite a bit longer, thus actually allowing more travel with more droop on the shock.
This was my point. if you look at my full droop picture, you can see how far it drops. At first I questioned (to myself) why it didn't seem as far down as I thought it was. After standing there examining it, while I took some pics, I realized having 35 inch tires makes the droop not look as far because of the extra rubber on top. If you put a stock tire in it's place, or even 285/70/17's, you would see a significant difference in total droop
 

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Even if you were slamming the axle... if the spring perch were a bumpstop that would do MORE damage (bending) than would the frame bumpstop since it's farther from the wheel. There's more of a bending moment from the perch to the wheel than from the frame to the wheel...
 

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I'm seriously considering this lift.
I've looked at overland and toytec and toytec is quite a bit cheaper, though the kit is not 100% radflo.

Still debating if anyone wants to sway me.
 

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Overland has the valving set up pretty specific to the weight of the FJ . I think customer service on both fronts is outstanding . I am really happy with the way my truck handles on and off road. I cannot say I have any ride experience with Toytecs version. I think Overland has a exchange program for when your stuff needs rebuilding.
that's all I got
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I'm seriously considering this lift.
I've looked at overland and toytec and toytec is quite a bit cheaper, though the kit is not 100% radflo.

Still debating if anyone wants to sway me.
I hear Radflo is nice; however, I have never ridden in an FJ with the setup. They definately have more pedigree than Toytec with all the racing shocks they produce. Toytec is a bit stiff and I hear they have squeeking problems (Although I have heard the same thing about the Icons - which I have never experienced with mine).
 

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As said above please note that OW kits use specifications designed by OW and shocks build by Radflo, i.e. we had the kits build to OW spec by Radflo, vs using the standard spec. The result has been a great mix of off road control while maintaining on road comfort.

Also as you noted we use matched rear Radflo shocks with the front COs, to give the best balance front to back. Additionally we use our own coils on the rear and different coils on the 2.5 COs.

So while the coilovers are produced by the same great company, there is a huge difference between the kits front to back and top to bottom.

On top of that we include US48 shipping in the price, and offer the CO adjustment wrench free to forum members (so pretty much what you see is what you pay to your door - unless you need to pay sales tax).

(As a side note we even use a swivel hook wrench for ease of adjustment vs just a stamped hook or pin wrench some others may use. Once you have used and other coilover wrenches you will appreciate the difference).

I hope this clarifies the differences between the kits.
 
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