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Awesome trip write-up and photos! We had a great time with you guys on the Feb Mojave run, hope you can explore more of this state. Sorry you did not get to the mines. Generations of inbreeding makes for some interesting characters in Kanab. This article just came out yesterday...best read to banjo music... ksl.com - Sons of polygamist making allegations of incest.

From the article: Several adult siblings still live with their dad on a ranch near Kanab and at other homes. Three sons who broke away say LeBaron believes he must maintain the purity of his seed...The three sons fear their youngest sister will inbreed when she turns 18. Elend said, "She will be probably to another brother, I'm guessing, maybe my dad." And David said, "Through either that union or another inbreeding union, that they would create the future Savior, so to speak." He says the family believes it would create something like a reincarnation of the Savior.

I don't know that we ran into these folks - - but we might have. The people in town in Kanab were very nice but when you get outside of town it does have sort of a Deliverance atmosphere.

Again, Vince and I were just hanging out, driving our rigs and not giving offense to anyone. It's great country to visit and explore. The vistas defy words. I'm going back and hopefully all can live and let live. The presence of California license plates seems to antagonize people.

 

[Kokopeli]

...it does have sort of a Deliverance atmosphere.

Hey thar Larry.. You sure got a awful purdy mouth... :jester:

 

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Stealing from art -- "Dodge This!"

 

[Kokopeli]

Stealing from art -- "Dodge This!"

So I guess getting you to drop trou and squeal like pig is out of the question?

 

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So I guess getting you to drop trou and squeal like pig is out of the question?

unlikely in this or any other lifetime...:wave:

 

[Kokopeli]

LOL.. Actually, that's good to know. :bigthumb:

See you Saturday. :bandit:

 

[volhoo]

Here is a shot of the Cowboy we met after we strapped him back up onto the trail - nice guy - :bigthumb:

 

[Teotwaki]

So I guess getting you to drop trou and squeal like pig is out of the question?

Man oh man. Do you have a death wish?? :cowfrown:



Uphill's gonna' getcha...... :lol:

 

[Teotwaki]

VERY NICE!!!
Great way to counteract having California license plates! :clap:

Here is a shot of the Cowboy we met after we strapped him back up onto the trail - nice guy - :bigthumb:

 

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That photo shows the road (sand) and trust me, it's sand all the way down the edge, so there is no berm. Just drifting sand on a ledge that passes for a road. Barely wide enough for an FJ.

X2 the cowboy was a very nice guy. He wanted to talk - was lonely - and I don't think he has all that much human contact. We chatted for a while, and then went on our way.

 

[Woodsman]

More great pictures and narration from Uphill. Thanks for the report.

 

[volhoo]

Wide tires vs Skinny tires - here is a very interesting article by Scott Brady on the subject.

Expeditions West: Tire Selection for Expedition Travel


Food for thought...

 

[Woodsman]

Oh my goodness, parts of that article remind me wayyyyyy too much of some of the Materials/Engineering classes I had back in college. Very informative though.

 

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Though the article stresses the virtues of a narrow tire, the comments on point for sand are expressed here:

Greater Section width for flotation: A typical 33x12.5 all terrain tire will perform better on soft surfaces like deep mud, snow and sand than its metric equivalent (285/75 R16 or 33x11.2) as the weight of the vehicle is spread out over a larger surface area. The wider tread creates less stress to the surface tension of the strata of sand (as expressed in kN/m2) and the vehicle will not sink as easily. The smoother and wider a tire is, the better it will perform in sand, as the width creates flotation and the smoother tread displaces less sand under (horizontal) acceleration (shearing force). The same influences apply with snow and mud. If the snow and mud are deeper than 110% of the vehicles minimum ground clearance, than it is better to run a wide tire, aired down and have the vehicle “float” on the surface.

I found it very interesting that there was no mention of TIRE COMPOSITION and the materials used in the tread. Different tire material makes a BIG difference in the adhesion of the tire to surfaces as does specific tread pattern. To me these are variables that were not adequately discussed in this white paper. All that is covered in detail is wide vs narrow tires and while that's good, to be useful, more emphasis should be given to those other variables to aid in tire size and brand selection. JMO.:bigthumb:

 

[Teotwaki]

Though the article stresses the virtues of a narrow tire, the comments on point for sand are expressed here:



I found it very interesting that there was no mention of TIRE COMPOSITION and the materials used in the tread. Different tire material makes a BIG difference in the adhesion of the tire to surfaces as does specific tread pattern. To me these are variables that were not adequately discussed in this white paper. All that is covered in detail is wide vs narrow tires and while that's good, to be useful, more emphasis should be given to those other variables to aid in tire size and brand selection. JMO.:bigthumb:

I remember reading that paper a while back before I bought my current tires. What stood out for me was that it was written down in a coherent form, available for review and constructive criticism. It is not a magazine article catering to advertisers and it is not simple opinion piece ("Dang it!! I run Wang-Chun Chinese Mud Terrains knockoffs and they are the best!!!"). Not a perfect white paper, but still rare that someone made the effort to generate one.

 

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I remember reading that paper a while back before I bought my current tires. What stood out for me was that it was written down in a coherent form, available for review and constructive criticism. It is not a magazine article catering to advertisers and it is not simple opinion piece ("Dang it!! I run Wang-Chun Chinese Mud Terrains knockoffs and they are the best!!!"). Not a perfect white paper, but still rare that someone made the effort to generate one.

I hope that my comment wasn't out of line. I think the paper was excellent, well referenced, etc. It would have been nice to have had just a wee bit more.

 

[Teotwaki]

I hope that my comment wasn't out of line. I think the paper was excellent, well referenced, etc. It would have been nice to have had just a wee bit more.

Heck no! You are spot on with your comments and I agree with them too.

 

[VegasDlr]

Digging up an old thread here.

My wife works for a family that owns a ranch in this area. This week we rode 4-wheelers on what I think is part of same trail that you did. Uphill, can you look at this map and tell me if this is the same trail?

Google Maps

The ranch we stayed at is marked on the map. Did you plot any GPS coordinates of the trail? The guys we were with said that you could loop all the way back to the Mt.Carmel trailhead so I am interested in seeing where the entrance is on the Coral Pink sanddunes side. It is hard to follow the trail in Google Earth because of all the sand.

We were there a couple of days after rain so most of the sand was a little damp which made it easier to climb. It wasn't as soft and fluffy as it looks in your pictures. The water was deep in some areas. Deep enough for me to submarine a borrowed 4-wheeler. :mecry:

 

[TrAiLbUs1]

Very cool Larry!

 

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Digging up an old thread here.

My wife works for a family that owns a ranch in this area. This week we rode 4-wheelers on what I think is part of same trail that you did. Uphill, can you look at this map and tell me if this is the same trail?

Google Maps

The ranch we stayed at is marked on the map. Did you plot any GPS coordinates of the trail? The guys we were with said that you could loop all the way back to the Mt.Carmel trailhead so I am interested in seeing where the entrance is on the Coral Pink sanddunes side. It is hard to follow the trail in Google Earth because of all the sand.

We were there a couple of days after rain so most of the sand was a little damp which made it easier to climb. It wasn't as soft and fluffy as it looks in your pictures. The water was deep in some areas. Deep enough for me to submarine a borrowed 4-wheeler. :mecry:

That's the same spot and I remember that ranch clearly. The overheads don't do it justice at all. The water crossings weren't nearly as difficult as climbing OUT of the Virgin River Valley would have been (we dropped in downhill).

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